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(Message started by: Lupin on Aug 20^th, 2003, 11:05am)

Title: The Elite Group
Post by Lupin on Aug 20^th, 2003, 11:05am

The Elite Group

This is a group of famous people. Even if they are always seen together, none has ever met each other. There are four men in this elite group. If you could talk to some members of this group, they would not even be aware of the group’s existence.

Who are they?

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by wowbagger on Aug 20^th, 2003, 11:35am

I think they are (hint)[hide]GW, TJ, TR and AL, and can often be seen at MR in SD[/hide].

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by Lupin on Aug 20^th, 2003, 2:27pm

Excellent!

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by Icarus on Aug 22^nd, 2003, 3:47pm

Yes - This is Maryl's Rock group, whom I did indeed visit this summer. Security was extra tight, since they were celebrating a birthday.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by SWF on Aug 23^rd, 2003, 6:57pm

I don't think that answer is correct. George Washington must have met Thomas Jefferson. A quick Google search didn't give me a specific instance, but they evidently lived in the same house at one point, and there are many cases of them being in Philadelphia and Virginia at around the same time.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by Icarus on Aug 23^rd, 2003, 7:07pm

True - sorry I missed that. But since Lupin has already agreed with Wowbagger, I would say it is the puzzle itself that is wrong, not the answer.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by Lupin on Aug 24^th, 2003, 7:14am

on 08/23/03 at 19:07:55, Icarus wrote:

True - sorry I missed that. But since Lupin has already agreed with Wowbagger, I would say it is the puzzle itself that is wrong, not the answer.

Thank you for not blaming the puzzler himself, Icarus, but the puzzle should have read "some" instead of "none" ... indeed it is the puzzler's mistake.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by wowbagger on Aug 24^th, 2003, 7:33am

I'm glad I got this one right. :)
Maybe I should have looked up when they lived, but I was quite sure it was the answer Lupin had in mind, so I didn't bother. :-/

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by SWF on Aug 24^th, 2003, 10:55am

Impressive, getting the right answer when the question is wrong. I would also dispute the statement that they are "always seen together" and if I could talk to them they would not be aware of the group's existence. If they were able to communicate with modern people, I'd expect them to know of the group.

How about this variation: What group of four famous people has the same last names as wowbagger's group of four but is not the same group. They are often seen together- more frequently than the group given by wowbagger.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by Icarus on Aug 24^th, 2003, 12:05pm

on 08/24/03 at 10:55:43, SWF wrote:

I would also dispute the statement that they are "always seen together" and if I could talk to them they would not be aware of the group's existence.

Ah, but if the condition is false, the statement is true, regardless of the truth of the predicate.

As for "always seen together", George, who always puts himself forward, eclipses the rest in some people's view.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by Speaker on Aug 24^th, 2003, 11:26pm

SWF
This is a challenge. They are real people?
Staring the facts in the face has never forced me to consider them while answering a riddle. If these four famous fellows are female in persuasion, then how about four US Navy Ships. Okay, so the first names are not different.

More, later.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by wowbagger on Aug 25^th, 2003, 4:11am

on 08/24/03 at 23:26:25, Speaker wrote:

how about four US Navy Ships

I don't think so. Would they really be seen together more frequently than the first group?

Quote:

Okay, so the first names are not different.

I think they are. In fact, I think SWF's group is [hide]almost the same, except for FR instead of TR[/hide]. They are often seen together because they are [hide]portrayed on US coins[/hide].

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by Icarus on Aug 25^th, 2003, 5:26pm

The shame!! [hide]That a German has to remind me of whose faces are on US currency! :-[/hide]

I must hide my face, but I can't - hide tags don't work on smileys! :P

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by SWF on Aug 25^th, 2003, 11:02pm

That is the correct answer wowbagger, and it is consistent with the question too.

on 08/24/03 at 12:05:09, Icarus wrote:

Ah, but if the condition is false, the statement is true, regardless of the truth of the predicate.

Then you would agree that the following is a true statement: "If the question were correctly worded, the answer would not be GW, TJ, TR, and AL."

Quote:

The shame!

An understandable oversight if we may assume you deal only with large denomination bills.

Title: Re: The Elite Group
Post by wowbagger on Aug 26^th, 2003, 8:37am

on 08/25/03 at 23:02:48, SWF wrote:

That is the correct answer wowbagger, and it is consistent with the question too.

;D

Quote:

An understandable oversight if we may assume you deal only with large denomination bills.

Actually, my first idea was that it had to do with banknotes.