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(Message started by: sippan on Dec 11th, 2008, 3:48am)
Title: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 11th, 2008, 3:48am
A man receives an envelope containing a list of names. He kills everyone on the list except for one. Explain.

(Through yes/no questions.)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Iceman on Dec 11th, 2008, 8:33am
His name was on the list, and he couldn't commit suicide because he is a cybernetic organism Terminator.   :P
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 11th, 2008, 9:33am

on 12/11/08 at 08:33:55, Iceman wrote:
His name was on the list, and he couldn't commit suicide because he is a cybernetic organism Terminator.   :P

No :P

And if it had been true, it still doesn't explain why he killed the rest of them. (Or well, he was a Terminator, but then explain why he didn't kill everyone that was NOT on the list! :P )
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Dec 11th, 2008, 10:08am
Was his name on the list?

Did he personally know any or all of the people on the list?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 11th, 2008, 10:25am

on 12/11/08 at 10:08:18, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Was his name on the list?

Yes.


Quote:
Did he personally know any or all of the people on the list?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by towr on Dec 11th, 2008, 10:36am
Did the other people on the list have a list of people to kill?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 11th, 2008, 11:15am

on 12/11/08 at 10:36:44, towr wrote:
Did the other people on the list have a list of people to kill?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Dec 11th, 2008, 2:11pm
The list has only one name on it?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by iono on Dec 11th, 2008, 3:25pm
Was he going to kill them anyway?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Dec 11th, 2008, 4:00pm
He was a hitman, being given a list of people to kill. His own name was on the list because the letter went

Dear Mr. Hitman,

Please kill:
Person A
Person B
Person C
...
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Dec 11th, 2008, 11:03pm
One of them was already dead.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 12th, 2008, 1:42am

on 12/11/08 at 14:11:45, Grimbal wrote:
The list has only one name on it?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 12th, 2008, 1:43am

on 12/11/08 at 15:25:30, iono wrote:
Was he going to kill them anyway?

I can't really answer this with a yes or no.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 12th, 2008, 1:44am

on 12/11/08 at 16:00:21, 1337b4k4 wrote:
He was a hitman, being given a list of people to kill. His own name was on the list because the letter went

Dear Mr. Hitman,

Please kill:
Person A
Person B
Person C
...

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 12th, 2008, 1:46am

on 12/11/08 at 23:03:23, gotit wrote:
One of them was already dead.

No, but one was himself =)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by towr on Dec 12th, 2008, 1:58am

on 12/12/08 at 01:46:05, sippan wrote:
No, but one was himself =)
Maybe he was a zombie; so he was already dead, and on the list, and killed the others. Maybe they were all subjects of a sinister umbrella corporation experiment.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Dec 12th, 2008, 2:02am
Did he kill himself?  I.e. did he kill all people on the list except himself?

Did the envelope contain a list of people who share a right (like a testament) and he killed all other people to avoid sharing?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 12th, 2008, 2:08am

on 12/12/08 at 02:02:49, Grimbal wrote:
Did he kill himself?  I.e. did he kill all people on the list except himself?

No. I.e. yes.


Quote:
Did the envelope contain a list of people who share a right (like a testament) and he killed all other people to avoid sharing?

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Dec 12th, 2008, 2:13am
Did the man kill the people according to the list?

Did the man kill other people not on the list in the same process?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 12th, 2008, 3:01am

on 12/12/08 at 02:13:10, Grimbal wrote:
Did the man kill the people according to the list?

Not relevant. (But let's say yes.)


Quote:
Did the man kill other people not on the list in the same process?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Dec 12th, 2008, 3:51am

on 12/12/08 at 03:01:31, sippan wrote:
Not relevant. (But let's say yes.)

What I meant is: did the killer read the names and kill accordingly?
That is as opposed to the case where the list just happened to be the list of killed people.  For example, they were invited to a party and he poisoned the meal (and he took an antidote).
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Dec 12th, 2008, 9:35am
Has he killed other people in the past?

Did the paper contain anything other than this list of names?

Did he kill them because of his profession or societal duty?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by iono on Dec 12th, 2008, 9:33pm
He went down the list, killing as he went a long. His name was second to last. ::)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 14th, 2008, 9:40am

on 12/12/08 at 03:51:08, Grimbal wrote:
What I meant is: did the killer read the names and kill accordingly?
That is as opposed to the case where the list just happened to be the list of killed people.  For example, they were invited to a party and he poisoned the meal (and he took an antidote).

Ah, then yes, he killed them according to the list.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 14th, 2008, 9:41am

on 12/12/08 at 09:35:01, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Has he killed other people in the past?

No.


Quote:
Did the paper contain anything other than this list of names?

No.


Quote:
Did he kill them because of his profession or societal duty?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Archae on Dec 15th, 2008, 1:08am
Did he kill them intentionally?
Did he write the list himself?  If not, does he know who write the list?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 15th, 2008, 3:36am

on 12/15/08 at 01:08:23, Archae wrote:
Did he kill them intentionally?

Yes.


Quote:
Did he write the list himself?  If not, does he know who write the list?

Potentially, but not relevant.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by JiNbOtAk on Dec 15th, 2008, 3:53am
Let's call this killer John. Now John first gets a letter, which goes :

"Dear Mr. John,

When Mr. X dies, you will get $1,000.00"

Several days passed, and Mr. X's obituary got into the paper, and John got a check for $1,000.00 Pretty neat, he thinks. Then he got another letter, which goes :

"Dear Mr. John,

When Mrs. Y dies, you will get $2,000.00"

Again, several days passed, Mrs. Y got her name into the obituary section, and voila, John is $2,000 richer. Again, he gets a third letter, which goes :

"Dear Mr. John,

When these people die, you will get $10,000.00"

And what do you know, none of them appeared in the obituaries. John needed the money, so he makes sure they do get their name in the obituaries. Which brings him to his fourth letter :

"Dear Mr. John,

How do you like your new job ?"
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Dec 15th, 2008, 1:06pm
Is he competing in a challenge of some kind?

Did he know in advance that he was going to have to kill people before recieving the list?

i.e. was he expecting a list of people to kill?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 16th, 2008, 2:35am

on 12/15/08 at 13:06:17, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Is he competing in a challenge of some kind?

No.


Quote:
Did he know in advance that he was going to kill people before recieving the list?

Yes.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Dec 16th, 2008, 5:18am
The second last name in the list was his own, and he killed himself, thus saving the last person.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Dec 16th, 2008, 11:42pm
Did he attempt to kill the last person?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 17th, 2008, 2:19am
It's already established that the survivor on the list was himself, the question that remains is now what his motive was.

And the fact that he was among the names is a (very vague) clue to the motive.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Dec 17th, 2008, 3:04am
Dear Mr. X

We have received your submission proving Goldbach's conjecture.

But before we can award you the $1 million prize, we need to verify that your proof is indeed correct and nobody else proved it before.

Unfortunately, we received many submission already for the said prize and we are short of skilled mathematicians who could verify the submissions.

To speed up the process, we send you the list of previous submissions.  We propose that you examine the submissions to find any flaw that would make them invalid.  Obviously, every submission that we can turn down with your help will bring you closer to the prize.

Thanks in advance for your kind help.

Best regards.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 18th, 2008, 12:34am

on 12/15/08 at 03:36:46, sippan wrote:
Yes.

Potentially, but not relevant.

This was referring to "Does he know who wrote it?", not "Did he write the list himself", just to clarify.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Dec 18th, 2008, 1:46am
The names on the list, are they names of people?

In "He kills everyone", does it means he murders or assassinates them?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 18th, 2008, 5:48am

on 12/18/08 at 01:46:44, Grimbal wrote:
The names on the list, are they names of people?

Yes.


Quote:
In "He kills everyone", does it means he murders or assassinates them?

Murder I guess.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Dec 18th, 2008, 6:22am
He was playing a computer game, and the list contained the names of the characters in the game, one of which was himself. The motive was to kill all characters except his own.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Iceman on Dec 18th, 2008, 8:04am
Was he hypnotized?  
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 19th, 2008, 3:02am

on 12/18/08 at 06:22:11, gotit wrote:
He was playing a computer game, and the list contained the names of the characters in the game, one of which was himself. The motive was to kill all characters except his own.

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 19th, 2008, 3:02am

on 12/18/08 at 08:04:13, Iceman wrote:
Was he hypnotized?  

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Dec 19th, 2008, 7:06am
Was he acting in a movie?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Dec 19th, 2008, 8:34am
Well. He probably didn't want to kill himself too badly. But was he planning on killing himself the whole time since he got the list?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 21st, 2008, 10:09am

on 12/19/08 at 07:06:22, gotit wrote:
Was he acting in a movie?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 21st, 2008, 10:10am

on 12/19/08 at 08:34:45, cheesepuff wrote:
Well. He probably didn't want to kill himself too badly. But was he planning on killing himself the whole time since he got the list?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by howard roark on Dec 25th, 2008, 2:04pm
Similar to the story of Kill Bill ??
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by imperial_executive on Dec 28th, 2008, 8:56pm
A wealthy person has died. This is a list of the people that their wealth will pass to, in order. This man's name is the last on the list, so he kills everyone before him to get the inheritance.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 29th, 2008, 1:29am

on 12/25/08 at 14:04:30, howard roark wrote:
Similar to the story of Kill Bill ??

Nah.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 29th, 2008, 1:30am

on 12/28/08 at 20:56:53, imperial_executive wrote:
A wealthy person has died. This is a list of the people that their wealth will pass to, in order. This man's name is the last on the list, so he kills everyone before him to get the inheritance.

Nope.

Here's a clue question: Do the people on the list have anything specific in common (other than being on the list)?

Yes.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Dec 29th, 2008, 3:52am
Race or Religion maybe. And he found out that one of them wasn't actually that race/religion. So he doesn't kill him/her
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 29th, 2008, 6:10am

on 12/29/08 at 03:52:19, cheesepuff wrote:
Race or Religion maybe. And he found out that one of them wasn't actually that race/religion. So he doesn't kill him/her

Nope, not race or religion, and the only person he didn't kill was himself.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by imperial_executive on Dec 29th, 2008, 6:10pm
Did they all have knowledge of sensitive information that the killer does not want anyone but himself to know?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Dec 29th, 2008, 6:42pm
... right now it just sounds like the killer got cold feet and didn't kill himself... Or maybe can't. Power of regeneration

Sorry, I was just watching the first season of Heroes. Was thinking about moving onto the second and third but I heard they weren't as good.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Dec 30th, 2008, 12:06am

on 12/29/08 at 18:10:24, imperial_executive wrote:
Did they all have knowledge of sensitive information that the killer does not want anyone but himself to know?

No.

You guys are totally overlooking one of the most common murder motives ever :]
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by SMQ on Dec 30th, 2008, 5:03am

on 12/30/08 at 00:06:52, sippan wrote:
You guys are totally overlooking one of the most common murder motives ever :]

Was it a list of people who had slept with his wife? ;)

--SMQ
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Iceman on Dec 30th, 2008, 5:41am
Maybe he did it for the money. After all, you cannot spend the money if you commit suicide.  ::)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Dec 30th, 2008, 7:37am

on 12/30/08 at 05:03:55, SMQ wrote:
Was it a list of people who had slept with his wife? ;)

--SMQ

For instance, the wife discovered that she got AIDS, and she thought she should warn all those she might have contaminated.  She sent an e-mail, but didn't know of the subtleties of CC vs. BCC.

It also could be the murderer was not the husband, but one of the wife's lovers.  He got contaminated through the wife and wants to revenge on the one who contaminated him and his darling.  Never mind the collateral damage.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Dec 30th, 2008, 6:16pm
cigarettes. They're murder. :D
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 5th, 2009, 12:18am
No to all :P
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 5th, 2009, 3:22am
Were there instructions with the list?

Was the guy's name on an equal footing with other names in the list?

Is there a reason why he got the list and not the others?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 5th, 2009, 3:27am

on 01/05/09 at 03:22:15, Grimbal wrote:
Were there instructions with the list?

Was the guy's name on an equal footing with other names in the list?

Is there a reason why he got the list and not the others?

No, yes and yes.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 5th, 2009, 3:27am
Just for reference:
Reasons for Murder in the United States in 1990:
- Arguments 37.7%
- Robbery 10.1%
- Narcotics 7.1%
- Other felonies 6.0%
- Other motives 22.5%
- Unknown 16.5%


Was the motive one of Arguments, Robbery, Narcotics?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 5th, 2009, 4:08am

on 01/05/09 at 03:27:41, Grimbal wrote:
Just for reference:
Reasons for Murder in the United States in 1990:
- Arguments 37.7%
- Robbery 10.1%
- Narcotics 7.1%
- Other felonies 6.0%
- Other motives 22.5%
- Unknown 16.5%


Was the motive one of Arguments, Robbery, Narcotics?

No. May I change my previous statement to "it's one of the most common murder motives in fiction!"? :]
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 5th, 2009, 6:04am
Is the motive one of:
- Money/Inheritance
- Fight for property
- Power
- Mafia business as usual ?

Is the motive one of:
- Love/sex/jealousy
- Revenge
- Crime of "honor" ?

Is the motive one of:
- War
- Justice
- Self-defense ?

Is the motive one of:
- Serial killer
- A perverted vilain wants to challenge the famous detective
- A peculiar sense of humor/a form of art ?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 5th, 2009, 6:26am

on 01/05/09 at 06:04:31, Grimbal wrote:
Is the motive one of:
- Money/Inheritance
- Fight for property
- Power
- Mafia business as usual ?

Is the motive one of:
- Love/sex/jealousy
- Revenge
- Crime of "honor" ?

Is the motive one of:
- War
- Justice
- Self-defense ?

Is the motive one of:
- Serial killer
- A perverted vilain wants to challenge the famous detective
- A peculiar sense of humor/a form of art ?

No, yes, no, no.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Jan 5th, 2009, 6:05pm
HE can't really get revenge on himself, unless he has dual personalities

You usually wouldn't have a list of people to kill unless his lover was a prostitute or got out really really often

Honor? Not much honor in killing himself, I guess.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by iono on Jan 6th, 2009, 5:47pm
Its love, isn't it?


season 3 of heroes is just crazy. Too many plot twists.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Jan 6th, 2009, 8:23pm
Yeah, and they randomly gave Peter Sylar's power, which he didn't need AT ALL, just so he could be evil. for a bit, anyways.

Though admittedly, it was better than season 2.  Which sadly ended too early due to the writer's strike.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by iono on Jan 7th, 2009, 5:51pm
You mean fortunately, seeing it wasn't that good anyways.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 8th, 2009, 12:42am
I had an idea tonight.

The man received the bill of his wife's mobile phone with call details.  He decided she is spending too much on the phone and decided to do something about it.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 8th, 2009, 12:57am

on 01/08/09 at 00:42:45, Grimbal wrote:
I had an idea tonight.

The man received the bill of his wife's mobile phone with call details.  He decided she is spending too much on the phone and decided to do something about it.

Although no, that was actually by far the closest question so far =)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 8th, 2009, 2:50am
its a list of people's DNA found at his home, which was the crime scene of his wife's brutal murder?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 8th, 2009, 3:14am

on 01/08/09 at 02:50:34, 1337b4k4 wrote:
its a list of people's DNA found at his home, which was the crime scene of his wife's brutal murder?

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Jan 8th, 2009, 6:16am
Receipt for a gigolo. See, if they're unionized, they have to give receipts  ::)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 8th, 2009, 6:26am

on 01/08/09 at 06:16:14, cheesepuff wrote:
Receipt for a gigolo. See, if they're unionized, they have to give receipts  ::)

No, why are you all so hung up on wives? :P
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Jan 8th, 2009, 11:38pm
Well he wouldn't put himself on the list for revenge... would he?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 9th, 2009, 12:03am
hmm, we still don't know much about who compiled the list. Was it one of:

Himself?

A doctor or other official of some kind?

A member of the mafia or some other sort of undesirable person?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 9th, 2009, 12:47am

on 01/09/09 at 00:03:46, 1337b4k4 wrote:
hmm, we still don't know much about who compiled the list. Was it one of:

Himself?

A doctor or other official of some kind?

A member of the mafia or some other sort of undesirable person?

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 9th, 2009, 3:39pm
Was the person who compiled the list:

an authority figure of any kind?

a computer?

someone who the killer knew?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Azgard on Jan 11th, 2009, 1:19pm
Was the list compiled by any one person?

(thinking along the lines of a guestbook or a sign-in sheet at a hotel)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Jagger on Jan 11th, 2009, 7:32pm
ok lets sum it up....

The clues we have so far are..

1)he didnt personally know the people

2)
on 12/12/08 at 01:43:50, sippan wrote:
Was he going to kill them anyway?

I can't really answer this with a yes or no.


3) he knew in advance that he was going to kill the people before recieving the list

4)the people on the list have something specific in common (other than being on the list)

5)the motive was one of:
- Love/sex/jealousy
- Revenge
- Crime of "honor"

6)
on 01/08/09 at 00:57:30, sippan wrote:
I had an idea tonight.

The man received the bill of his wife's mobile phone with call details.  He decided she is spending too much on the phone and decided to do something about it.

Although no, that was actually by far the closest question so far =)



Ok lets see.
He probably asked for the list
he was on the list since he also did what they did

Ok i see 2 scenarios:
A)Revenge
His father was the only survival of the mafia shoot out and can identify the hitmen. He got shot but is still alive in the hospital. he visited his father last night. In the morning there was a call that his father was murdered during the night.
He asked for the list of the people that visited his father the previous night.
Although lol killing all names is a little extreme :P

B)Jealousy
His girlfriend is in town but cant stay with him cause his wife is home
After visiting his girlfriend at the hotel she stays he  suspects that she is also seeing other men and cheating on him.
Being the psycho that he is he asked the reception for the list of people that visited her during her stay and kills all.

I am sure its something in that lines.

First thing is to clarify the motive:
Is the motive revenge?
Is it jealousy?
is it love?    
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 12th, 2009, 12:39am

on 01/09/09 at 15:39:46, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Was the person who compiled the list:

an authority figure of any kind?

a computer?

someone who the killer knew?

No, probably, no.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 12th, 2009, 12:41am

on 01/11/09 at 19:32:10, Jagger wrote:
Ok i see 2 scenarios:
A)Revenge
His father was the only survival of the mafia shoot out and can identify the hitmen. He got shot but is still alive in the hospital. he visited his father last night. In the morning there was a call that his father was murdered during the night.
He asked for the list of the people that visited his father the previous night.
Although lol killing all names is a little extreme :P

B)Jealousy
His girlfriend is in town but cant stay with him cause his wife is home
After visiting his girlfriend at the hotel she stays he  suspects that she is also seeing other men and cheating on him.
Being the psycho that he is he asked the reception for the list of people that visited her during her stay and kills all.

I am sure its something in that lines.

First thing is to clarify the motive:
Is the motive revenge?
Is it jealousy?
is it love?

Revenge, and yeah you're on the right track. ^^
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by cheesepuff on Jan 12th, 2009, 2:53am
But why would his own name be on the list for revenge?......

List of people who have slept with your wife:

Brian
Bill
John
Sam
Will (you)

Will: "I'm gonna kill all these people!!!!"
*as he moves down the list to himself*: "...... hey..... wait a minute......"

Or maybe a list of mafia member that were involved in the murder of his father or something. And he was on the list because he was undercover.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 12th, 2009, 5:45am
Just a question:
Does it have something to do with the man's wife?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 12th, 2009, 5:49am

on 01/12/09 at 05:45:06, Grimbal wrote:
Just a question:
Does it have something to do with the man's wife?

No. We can even say that he is a bachelor orphan with no friends or relatives of any kind whatsoever. (That was not some kind of clue, I'm just eliminating some wrong theories before they develop.)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 12th, 2009, 5:56am
I see.  The list was the list of his friends and relatives?   ;)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Jagger on Jan 12th, 2009, 12:24pm
revenge but he has no loved ones????
What is this? Did his dog die?? :P
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 12th, 2009, 12:55pm
did these people *really* die?
I.e. is this a free for all in a video game?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Metal on Jan 12th, 2009, 9:35pm
No. We can even say that he is a bachelor orphan with no friends or relatives of any kind whatsoever. (That was not some kind of clue, I'm just eliminating some wrong theories before they develop.)


--> one more answer ->
he was bullied in the school so the list is of the names of ppl in his class including himself.
so he took revenge by killing all the ppl in the list except him  ;)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 13th, 2009, 12:13am

on 01/12/09 at 12:55:54, 1337b4k4 wrote:
did these people *really* die?
I.e. is this a free for all in a video game?

They actually really died.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 13th, 2009, 12:14am

on 01/12/09 at 21:35:22, Metal wrote:
No. We can even say that he is a bachelor orphan with no friends or relatives of any kind whatsoever. (That was not some kind of clue, I'm just eliminating some wrong theories before they develop.)


--> one more answer ->
he was bullied in the school so the list is of the names of ppl in his class including himself.
so he took revenge by killing all the ppl in the list except him  ;)

Nope... and he's never had a dog, either =)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by JiNbOtAk on Jan 13th, 2009, 2:41am
It's a rat race !! A rich tycoon left a will, giving away all his properties to be shared among seven strangers. Of course, should anyone die before the tycoon does, the remaining names will get a bigger slice.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 13th, 2009, 3:39am

on 01/13/09 at 02:41:06, JiNbOtAk wrote:
It's a rat race !! A rich tycoon left a will, giving away all his properties to be shared among seven strangers. Of course, should anyone die before the tycoon does, the remaining names will get a bigger slice.

Nowhere near :)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Azgard on Jan 13th, 2009, 7:28am

on 01/11/09 at 13:19:20, Azgard wrote:
Was the list compiled by any one person?

(thinking along the lines of a guestbook or a sign-in sheet at a hotel)



What about a yes/no answer to my question? Or are you avoiding mine because it sheds too much light on your solution?   8)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 13th, 2009, 11:45pm

on 01/13/09 at 07:28:53, Azgard wrote:
What about a yes/no answer to my question? Or are you avoiding mine because it sheds too much light on your solution?   8)

I figured it was included in my other answer, that the list was probably compiled by a computer =)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Azgard on Jan 15th, 2009, 2:11pm
Ah, okay then.

*goes and puts thinking cap on again*   ???
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by imperial_executive on Jan 18th, 2009, 2:38am
Is he getting revenge for something that has personally happened to him?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by imperial_executive on Jan 18th, 2009, 2:44am
If yes to above question, is it money related?

If no to above question, is he taking revenge for an injustice that was commited to someone he knows (though obviously, not a friend or relative)?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Jagger on Jan 18th, 2009, 6:05pm
Hmm this can reallt be anything....

Did a public company sent the list? (phone bill,etc)

He didnt personally know the people and yet he found them and killed them. Is How he found them relative? Maybe the list has address on them etc.

Were they all males?

Do they have the same Age?

Is each location relative to eachother. Are they in the same place(town,etc)

lol i bet non of these are relative...
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 18th, 2009, 11:17pm

on 01/18/09 at 02:38:26, imperial_executive wrote:
Is he getting revenge for something that has personally happened to him?

Yes.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 18th, 2009, 11:18pm

on 01/18/09 at 02:44:26, imperial_executive wrote:
If yes to above question, is it money related?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 18th, 2009, 11:21pm

on 01/18/09 at 18:05:58, Jagger wrote:
Hmm this can reallt be anything....

Did a public company sent the list? (phone bill,etc)

No (if by public company you mean government-operated).


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He didnt personally know the people and yet he found them and killed them. Is How he found them relative? Maybe the list has address on them etc.

Not relevant. (We can assume that he just looked them up in the phone book or whatever.)


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Were they all males?

No.


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Do they have the same Age?

No.


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Are they in the same place(town,etc)

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 19th, 2009, 12:44am
Did they all participate in some event?

For instance, they were all on a plane, somebody hid drugs in his coat.  He was arrested and served 10 years in jail.  The list was a list of passengers.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 19th, 2009, 2:32am

on 01/19/09 at 00:44:34, Grimbal wrote:
Did they all participate in some event?

Yes. Oh you're so close ^_^
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by imperial_executive on Jan 19th, 2009, 2:49am
Was the killer, before he started killing people, involved in any sort of crime in any way?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 19th, 2009, 3:02am

on 01/19/09 at 02:49:45, imperial_executive wrote:
Was the killer, before he started killing people, involved in any sort of crime in any way?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 19th, 2009, 3:12am
Could we summarize it as:
- the man participated in an event with other people
- the others did something bad to him
- it was so bad that as a revenge the man wants to kill everybody
- the man got the list of participants to the event and proceeded to kill them
?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 19th, 2009, 3:29am

on 01/19/09 at 03:12:46, Grimbal wrote:
Could we summarize it as:
- the man participated in an event with other people
- the others did something bad to him
- it was so bad that as a revenge the man wants to kill everybody
- the man got the list of participants to the event and proceeded to kill them
?

Pretty much yeah. Just details left.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Metal on Jan 19th, 2009, 3:57am
Then its like he participated in some game where you have to kill everyone like "Unreal Tournament" or any FPS game...


????
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 19th, 2009, 4:11am

on 01/19/09 at 03:57:40, Metal wrote:
Then its like he participated in some game where you have to kill everyone like "Unreal Tournament" or any FPS game...


????

Nope. I think most of the people on the list were quite surprised to be murdered all of a sudden.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 19th, 2009, 5:00am
Did the others know of the bad consequences for the man of what they did?

Did they know they did anything to the man?

Was it a list of passengers?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 19th, 2009, 5:12am

on 01/19/09 at 05:00:53, Grimbal wrote:
Did the others know of the bad consequences for the man of what they did?

Some of them and more or less. You could definitely say that this man is overreacting both in choice of punishment (death) and selection of victims (the entire list).


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Did they know they did anything to the man?

Again, some of them.


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Was it a list of passengers?

Yes.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 19th, 2009, 10:34am
Did the man eat something he didn't want to?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Jagger on Jan 19th, 2009, 3:27pm
Ok so they were all on a bus plane train etc.

Did they left him behind is some terrible place and left??
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 19th, 2009, 11:20pm

on 01/19/09 at 10:34:37, Grimbal wrote:
Did the man eat something he didn't want to?

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 19th, 2009, 11:21pm

on 01/19/09 at 15:27:52, Jagger wrote:
Ok so they were all on a bus plane train etc.

Did they left him behind is some terrible place and left??

Sort of, but not quite.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 20th, 2009, 2:12am
They were all men and no woman...
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 20th, 2009, 3:24am

on 01/20/09 at 02:12:22, Grimbal wrote:
They were all men and no woman...

They were probably about 50% of each actually =)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 20th, 2009, 11:24am
was he insane at all? Would a normal human being do the same thing he did, or at least understand his motivations?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by codpro880 on Jan 20th, 2009, 1:13pm
He was running a "relay for life", and everyone who showed up only did one lap (the more laps around a track that you do the more money the sponsor of the event has to pay to charity x or person y). He's the man with cancer who they would be raising funds for, so basically they killed him and he decided to get revenge.


:-[
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 21st, 2009, 2:48am

on 01/20/09 at 11:24:53, 1337b4k4 wrote:
was he insane at all? Would a normal human being do the same thing he did, or at least understand his motivations?

Well he's clearly a tad bit homicidal, but yes, his motivations are understandable to an extent.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 21st, 2009, 2:49am
[quote author=codpro880 link=board=riddles_whathappened;num=1228996125;start=100#120 date=01/20/09 at 13:13:55]He was running a "relay for life", and everyone who showed up only did one lap (the more laps around a track that you do the more money the sponsor of the event has to pay to charity x or person y). He's the man with cancer who they would be raising funds for, so basically they killed him and he decided to get revenge.


:-[/quote]
Nope :P
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Azgard on Jan 21st, 2009, 7:01am
Was this a large list of people or a small list of people? Say, greater, less than or equal to 20 people?

(I have a theory...)
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 21st, 2009, 12:02pm

on 01/21/09 at 07:01:37, Azgard wrote:
Was this a large list of people or a small list of people? Say, greater, less than or equal to 20 people?

(I have a theory...)

Fairly large for a hit list, but I don't really have a specific number of how many might have been on it...
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 21st, 2009, 12:19pm

on 01/21/09 at 02:48:13, sippan wrote:
Well he's clearly a tad bit homicidal, but yes, his motivations are understandable to an extent.


Would a normal person also understand his motivations to kill the entire list of people as opposed to just those who caused him grief?
Would it be difficult or impossible for him to find only the individuals who hurt him?
Would it be difficult or impossible for him to kill only the individuals who hurt him?
Is the entire scenario plausible, or is it rather contrived?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 22nd, 2009, 12:07am

on 01/21/09 at 12:19:19, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Would a normal person also understand his motivations to kill the entire list of people as opposed to just those who caused him grief?

Yes, because...

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Would it be difficult or impossible for him to find only the individuals who hurt him?

Yes. Although he probably considers them all guilty, while most people might consider only some (or none) of them guilty.

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Is the entire scenario plausible, or is it rather contrived?

The incident which made him want to kill people is not terribly unlikely. I think the most implausible thing about it all is how he doesn't get caught killing all these people, especially if there is a (more or less) publicly available list of them all in which he skips himself.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Jan 22nd, 2009, 5:31am
Did someone push him out of a running train?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 22nd, 2009, 6:03am

on 01/22/09 at 05:31:58, gotit wrote:
Did someone push him out of a running train?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Jan 22nd, 2009, 6:13am
Did he suffer any kind of physical injury because of what was done to him?

Did the people who commited the crime plan it beforehand?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 22nd, 2009, 9:38am

on 01/22/09 at 00:07:58, sippan wrote:
The incident which made him want to kill people is not terribly unlikely. I think the most implausible thing about it all is how he doesn't get caught killing all these people, especially if there is a (more or less) publicly available list of them all in which he skips himself.

Maybe he should kill himself.  Just for safety. ;)

One idea: he went on a plane.  One person was drunk and took a random seat.  Subsequent passengers had to choose a random seat whenever theirs was occupied.  Our poor guy was the last to enter and had as it happened, his seat was occupied.  He hates it.  That's why, understandably, he decided to kill every damn passenger on that damn plane.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 22nd, 2009, 12:39pm
Did he suffer physical harm from these other people who he participated in this event with?
Did he suffer emotional harm from these people?
 Did the other people intend this harm?
   Did they intend it maliciously?
   Did they intend it out of necessity?
 Did something unusual happen at the event besides this harming?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by denis on Jan 22nd, 2009, 1:40pm
Something like this?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D01E5DE113BF930A25752C1A960958260
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by imperial_executive on Jan 23rd, 2009, 2:17am

on 01/13/09 at 23:45:21, sippan wrote:
I figured it was included in my other answer, that the list was probably compiled by a computer =)

Does that mean it would have been difficult or impossible to complie that list on his own (without the aid of a computer)?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 2:29am

on 01/22/09 at 06:13:59, gotit wrote:
Did he suffer any kind of physical injury because of what was done to him?

Probably, but nothing permanent.


Quote:
Did the people who commited the crime plan it beforehand?

Who said there was a crime? ;) And no, the incident was not planned.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 2:31am

on 01/22/09 at 09:38:11, Grimbal wrote:
Maybe he should kill himself.  Just for safety. ;)

One idea: he went on a plane.  One person was drunk and took a random seat.  Subsequent passengers had to choose a random seat whenever theirs was occupied.  Our poor guy was the last to enter and had as it happened, his seat was occupied.  He hates it.  That's why, understandably, he decided to kill every damn passenger on that damn plane.

No, but some elements of that guess are quite correct.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 2:34am

on 01/22/09 at 12:39:46, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Did he suffer physical harm from these other people who he participated in this event with?

Nothing permanent.


Quote:
Did he suffer emotional harm from these people?

Quite likely.

Quote:
 Did the other people intend this harm?

Not really.


Quote:
   Did they intend it maliciously?
   Did they intend it out of necessity?

If there were any conscious and thought-through choices that led to the wrongdoing toward the not-yet killer, were not maliciously intended.


Quote:
 Did something unusual happen at the event besides this harming?

No.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 2:36am

on 01/22/09 at 13:40:18, denis wrote:
Something like this?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D01E5DE113BF930A25752C1A960958260

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 2:37am

on 01/23/09 at 02:17:01, imperial_executive wrote:
Does that mean it would have been difficult or impossible to complie that list on his own (without the aid of a computer)?

No. If the same events had transpired a hundred years ago (which they could just as well have) the list would probably have been compiled by some human somewhere.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Jan 23rd, 2009, 3:40am
The man was traveling in a train or plane where something wrong happened and the man was arrested by the police because of false statements given by few other people.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 4:42am

on 01/23/09 at 03:40:21, gotit wrote:
The man was traveling in a train or plane where something wrong happened and the man was arrested by the police because of false statements given by few other people.

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 23rd, 2009, 4:51am
He was on a train.  He belongs to a minority M.  When going to the toilet, he saw a note scribbled on the mirror "Death to all M's!".

Later he pleaded self-defense.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 5:26am

on 01/23/09 at 04:51:06, Grimbal wrote:
He was on a train.  He belongs to a minority M.  When going to the toilet, he saw a note scribbled on the mirror "Death to all M's!".

Later he pleaded self-defense.

No :P

I can't believe nobody has mentioned the correct vehicle of travel/transportation yet!
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Jan 23rd, 2009, 6:21am
Ok. Let's track down the vehicle first. :)

Was it a bus?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 23rd, 2009, 6:27am
Was it a boat?

The boat sank and the others left him behind?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 23rd, 2009, 1:11pm

on 01/23/09 at 06:27:06, Grimbal wrote:
Was it a boat?

Yes! \o/


Quote:
The boat sank and the others left him behind?

No, but close :]
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by Grimbal on Jan 24th, 2009, 9:36am
He left the others behind.  They were rescued but he had to kill them before they did.

He pleaded self-defense.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Jan 25th, 2009, 12:25am
Some people knew swimming. They saved all the other people except him.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 26th, 2009, 12:02am
No no the boat didn't sink at all.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by 1337b4k4 on Jan 26th, 2009, 12:05am
did they leave him behind on a desert island, or chain him somewhere?
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 26th, 2009, 12:24am

on 01/26/09 at 00:05:29, 1337b4k4 wrote:
did they leave him behind on a desert island, or chain him somewhere?

Nope.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Jan 26th, 2009, 1:54am
The boat had crossed the maximum limit of weight that it could tolerate and some of the people threw the man out of the boat.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 26th, 2009, 2:12am

on 01/26/09 at 01:54:49, gotit wrote:
The boat had crossed the maximum limit of weight that it could tolerate and some of the people threw the man out of the boat.

No. Remember:


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If there were any conscious and thought-through choices that led to the wrongdoing toward the not-yet killer, were not maliciously intended.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by gotit on Jan 26th, 2009, 6:02am
He fell off the boat and no one tried to save him.
Title: Re: One was spared
Post by sippan on Jan 26th, 2009, 6:22am

on 01/26/09 at 06:02:32, gotit wrote:
He fell off the boat and no one tried to save him.

Hooray! \o/

Some guy fell overboard and wasn't rescued, survived anyway, obtained the passenger manifest and killed everyone who was on the boat.

(Now who will solve my grouse riddle? :( )


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