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Title: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Oct 30th, 2008, 6:15am A detective (NOT the one from Detective Conan, as I'm taking a break from that. Instead, this one is from another mystery manga, so if you already read this one, don't spoil it please. This manga is not as well known as Conan though...) Anyways... a detective entered the kitchen of a very luxurious restaurant. He starts talking to one of the chefs there about some theif who was stealing cooking supplies (People need frying pans). The chef was quite worried because the equipment was all top of the line, and quite expensive. He looks into a room where, according the the chef, was where they boil soup. The window was fogged up, and the room was all steamy. The detective could see a shadow of a person inside. He felt bad for him, standing in all that heat. But he shook it off as he continued to log all the stolen items. Suddenly he heard a crash in the boiling room. He rushed in and found a chef collapsed on the floor. He immediately called the police. A few minutes later, the police arrived on the scene. They saw the dead chef and questioned the detective a bit. To their surprise, the chef was already dead from a strike to the head. The chef wasn't killed with heatstroke. the detective actually thought that the chef was shot first, due the to red marks found on the dead chef's apron. However, he discovered that it was just tomato sauce. The detective was stuck pondering in the room, with the soup still bubbling in the background. The cops had removed the body and the reporters were swarming around. Because he had known the police chief (he solved a bunch of random murders), he wa allowed to stay on scene. Noone was in the room, but the bustling of the commotion outside disturbed his thinking process. So he close the door and thought. He thought for many minutes, pausing only to sample the soup (It was good, but he ended up burning his tongue) He stared out the window, having a perfectly clear view of the other chefs outside, some crying, some scared. He saw a cute policewoman walking by the window. He winked at her, and she totally ignored him. slightly put off, he sighed, his breath fogging up the window. He pondered the question: how was the chef standing as he was dead? (for proof had shown that the body had been dead for a few hours) He saw the chef standing there just a little while ago. How did the murderer keep him standing? He soon had a genius idea, ran out, and eventually solved the mystery of how the chef was kept standing, which eventually led to the arrest of the murderer, due to some fingerprints and stuff... The murderer had to keep the chef standing to keep his alibi strong, so did he do it? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Grimbal on Oct 30th, 2008, 7:24am [hide]He froze him?[/hide] |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by gotit on Oct 30th, 2008, 9:51am [hide]He was made to stand with the support of ice cubes that eventually melted in the heat.[/hide] |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Oct 30th, 2008, 10:26am No. Though the freezing could work, it still isn't the intended answer I mean, I typed all that, so it can't be that simple |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by iono on Oct 30th, 2008, 4:06pm Soup's boiling in a closed room, and the window's clear? hmm.... |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Oct 30th, 2008, 7:10pm think about it ;) |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by hmmmm on Oct 30th, 2008, 7:11pm hehe, i like this manga, |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Oct 30th, 2008, 9:09pm Though it's quite creepy at times |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by hmmmm on Oct 31st, 2008, 5:33pm yeah, it's really creepy when the criminals transform, but it's funny when he's being sadistic. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Nov 1st, 2008, 2:22pm The soup is not really soup is it? I was thinking is was partly made with liquid Nitrogen since this would not cause the windows to steam up. And the fact that it was super cold would explain why he hurt his tongue. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by gotit on Nov 1st, 2008, 2:44pm As far as I know, if you taste liquid nitrogen, your tongue will freeze in no time. And if you used your finger for tasting it, you willl not even be able to taste it, because your finger will freeze in that case. [hide]The shadow that the detective saw was not of the dead body but of the murderer himself. As the detective was busy talking to the chef, the murderer dropped something on the floor and escaped quickly. The detective thought that he had seen the shadow of the dead man standing[/hide] |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Nov 1st, 2008, 3:03pm on 11/01/08 at 14:44:20, gotit wrote:
Depends how much you put in the spoon. I saw a guy do it in a science show. Nitrogen boils at a much higher temperature than liquid helium or liquid hydrogen. Sure it burns, and can cause injury but it's not as dangerous as the other two. From Wikepedia: "Direct skin contact with liquid nitrogen causes severe frostbite (cryogenic burns) within seconds, though not instantly on contact, depending on form of liquid nitrogen (liquid vs. mist) and surface area of the nitrogen-soaked material (soaked clothing or cotton causing more rapid damage than a spill of direct liquid to skin, which for a few seconds is protected by the Leidenfrost effect)." "The Leidenfrost effect is a phenomenon in which a liquid, in near contact with a mass significantly hotter than its boiling point, produces an insulating vapor layer which keeps that liquid from boiling rapidly." |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 1st, 2008, 5:54pm no to all I'm pretty sure I've heard a Darwin Award for someone blowing liquid nitrogen smoke (and then accidentally swallowing it) The soup was totally normal (actually, it was good. But it was too hot for the detective) And the chef that the detective was talking to was the murderer so the person standing in the boiling room was actually the dead... we're just going to call him boiler to avoid any confusion |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 4th, 2008, 6:09am since it's been a few days. Here's a hint :D [hide]Freezing had something to do with it[/hide] |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by iono on Nov 4th, 2008, 5:26pm the corpse was frozen? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 4th, 2008, 7:14pm The corpse was not frozen |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Iceman on Nov 6th, 2008, 8:00am The detective thought that he saw chef's shadow, but it was shadow of something made out of ice? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Grimbal on Nov 6th, 2008, 9:33pm on 10/30/08 at 06:15:56, cheesepuff wrote:
Yes, he did ;D OK, well, what about: [hide]The soup was frozen in the shape of a chief[/hide] |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 7th, 2008, 4:10am Nope. The boiler was the one that the detective saw through the foggy windows. No frozen statues |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Nov 11th, 2008, 7:39am Jeez, cheesepuff! You are making us think! ;) |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 11th, 2008, 9:33am Yes. But all the details come into play. Even the seemingly random tomato and woman cop crossing in front of the window. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 11th, 2008, 9:34am Oh and here's another hint: in the whole kitchen, only the boiling room was foggy when the detective first came in |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by iono on Nov 12th, 2008, 5:33pm was the murderer the [hide]first chef[/hide]? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 12th, 2008, 6:50pm Yeah, but the question is how did he keep the dead guy standing while the detective came? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Grimbal on Nov 13th, 2008, 8:31am The window of the room is actually a one-sided mirror. What the detective saw "inside" was actually outside. The shadow he saw was the first chef himself. The first chef made a movement like boiling soup, but with the left hand, knowing that in the mirror the image would be reversed. The detective didn't recognize him because the mirror was all fogged up. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 13th, 2008, 8:54am No, because the detective would have noticed the chef stirring. But this did use the fog. However, most of the time the boiling room [hide]wasn't foggy[/hide] :o |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 20th, 2008, 3:18am The chef that committed the murder had hidden some rope that he got from the boiling room AFTER the body was discovered |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by SnapShot on Nov 26th, 2008, 8:33am is the window big enough to climb through? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Nov 30th, 2008, 10:40pm Not relevant. The tomato was frozen |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Jan 30th, 2009, 10:29am Was the window fogged up, or was it a window that is transparent when the door is open and frosted when the door is closed? (has to do with magnetism or something...) |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Jan 30th, 2009, 5:16pm it was fogged up |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Jan 30th, 2009, 6:14pm Fogged on the inside or the outside? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Jan 30th, 2009, 10:33pm inside |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Jan 31st, 2009, 7:51am So much for that idea... See, the policewoman walking by and ignoring the detective inside the room... I don't think she ignored him, I think she couldn't see him well enough to know he had winked at her. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Jan 31st, 2009, 11:23pm Nope. She just ignored him. Window was perfectly clear he winked at her |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 1st, 2009, 9:34am Quelle bummer... And I thought I was on to something relevant... :-/ |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 4th, 2009, 6:59am Was the tomato dropped or thrown at the victim? :-/ |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 4th, 2009, 5:24pm Neither. It was close at heart ::) |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 5th, 2009, 9:31am The victim was bringing some things over to the stove to add to the soup (which to him, a master of fine taste, was not quite right, but to someone with less refined taste might seem so). He was carrying the tomato in his arm, using his chest to balance it while he unloaded the rest of what he was carrying. The tomato was completely frozen, so cold that it froze the victim in an instant, killing him, but also leaving him frozen in place. The victim remained dead, in a standing position until the steam from the soup on the stove thawed him (and the tomato) out. Once thawed, the victim fell, smashing the back of his head on the counter top and knocking over a pile of pots and pans, and alerting the detective in the kitchen. Thus, the murder is solved! 8) At least until cheesepuff tells me I'm wrong... ::) |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 5th, 2009, 11:06pm Unfortunately, you're wrong. Body wasn't frozen. Tomato was frozen though. Was. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 6th, 2009, 6:38am on 02/05/09 at 23:06:29, cheesepuff wrote:
I knew I was going to be wrong, but I put it up on the off chance that I was wrong! Knew the tomato was frozen, because in order for it to have made tomato stains on the dead chef's apron it would have to have thawed out again. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Aaragn on Feb 8th, 2009, 3:00pm Was someting discovered on the boiler's shoes/soles? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 8th, 2009, 11:17pm Well the boiling room was hot, so the tomato thawed. And nothing important was really discovered on the boilers shoes. Bits and pieces of tomato, maybe... |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Aaragn on Feb 9th, 2009, 2:39am I was thinking along the "bits and pieces of tomato (juice) that, attached to the soles and frozen, could keep the dead man standing" lines... ::) |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 9th, 2009, 10:11pm no |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 12th, 2009, 1:39pm Did the victim have anything in/on his hands? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 12th, 2009, 6:00pm nope. nothing important anyhoo |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 16th, 2009, 8:13am on 02/12/09 at 18:00:40, cheesepuff wrote:
Other than bits and pieces of tomato, right? ;) Okay... The rope you mentioned earlier, was that in the boiler room before the victim died? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 16th, 2009, 8:48pm Yes. After the detective cornered the killer and told him his suspicions, the killer came clean and gave him the rope. That had some tomato and grease on it, and for some strange reason, smelled like smoke. Well... it was in there before the victim died because the killer brings it in as he was about to kill him so..... it's not the murder weapon though. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 17th, 2009, 7:29am Cigarette smoke? Campfire smoke? Candle smoke? House fire smoke? Burnt food smoke? Kerosene fire smoke? What kind of smoke? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 17th, 2009, 4:54pm Did the body fall as a result of the tomato thawing? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 17th, 2009, 7:08pm Smoke that results from cooking. And yeah, body falls because the tomato thaws |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 17th, 2009, 9:02pm Was the frozen tomato in his mouth? The rope loops around his chin is tied to the ceiling? As the tomato thaws, the mouth closes from the pressure of the chin on the rope and the head leans back until it pops out of the rope loop. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 18th, 2009, 12:22am Really close. But the detective didn't see the rope in the room, though it was there. The killer just removed the rope while pretending to check something. The rope isn't very thick, by the way. I just said rope because string seemed too weak to support a dead corpse... |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 18th, 2009, 6:02am on 02/18/09 at 00:22:27, cheesepuff wrote:
Since the corps did not drop the instant the rope was removed, that means the rope must have had very little to do with the corpse remaining standing... |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 18th, 2009, 6:32am Was the rope/string directly involved in keeping the corpse standing? Was the tomato directly involved in keeping the corpse standing? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 18th, 2009, 6:56am Was the tomato frozen to the corpse? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by iono on Feb 18th, 2009, 9:18pm The tomato was the murder weapon? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 19th, 2009, 5:51am The corpse fell the moment that the rope was removed from the corpse (it was still in the room though. The rope/string and the tomato was directly related to the corpse staying in an upright position. The tomato was frozen and touching the corpse but it wasn't directly frozen to the corpse. And the tomato wasn't the murder weapon |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 19th, 2009, 8:27am Was the tomato touching the string? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 19th, 2009, 10:02am yes it is |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 19th, 2009, 11:54am Was the string touching the corpse (before the corpse fell)? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 19th, 2009, 1:15pm Was there anyone else in the boiler room when the corpse collapsed? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 19th, 2009, 5:24pm Erm... The normal stuff you would have in a high class kitchen, a string, a corpse, some boiling soup, and a large amount of steam. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 19th, 2009, 5:39pm Then if the body fell as soon as the rope was removed, and there were only the string, the corpse, some boiling soup, and the large amount of steam, who or what removed the rope? Or did the rope just come off? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 19th, 2009, 11:25pm There was also the tomato ;D Sorry about that. Or it could be any soggy weak fruit/vegetable really. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 20th, 2009, 8:59am Was the tomato and string combined in such a way (we might have to figure how later) that the the support was very strong when the tomato was frozen and could hold up a corspe but then weakened as the tomato tawed, to a point that the corpse would fall down eventually. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 20th, 2009, 1:39pm yep yep yep. Getting there. Thought I don't know just how strong the support is really. It just needs to support the weight of a body |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 21st, 2009, 1:25pm did the string go through the frozen tomato? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 21st, 2009, 1:38pm Was the rope tied to just the tomato, just the corpse, or both? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 21st, 2009, 8:36pm Well the string did go through the tomato. Though it wasn't just a straight string. There were two loops at the ends. Just tied to the tomato. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 22nd, 2009, 12:52pm Was anything else tied to the tomato, say... apron strings? And a loop at each end, or two loops at each end? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by denis on Feb 22nd, 2009, 1:26pm on 02/21/09 at 20:36:02, cheesepuff wrote:
Ok then how about this? The murder occurs at some point in the boiling room and the murderer takes out his contraption: A frozen tomato and two strings each with one loop going through each end of the frozen tomato. He ties the other end of each string to the ceiling (either a fan or ventillation grill). So you have one big noose whereby you can put the head of the corpse for support. Of course, the loops were put in when the tomato was raw then the whole thing was frozen together ahead of time of murder. Now you have the corpse standing long enough to be able to call in the detectives over and thus have an nice alibi when the whole thing comes falling down. Note the soup is boiling just in front of the corpse so the steam is what hides the strings from those looking in the boiling room window (that's why cheesepuff said there was smoke smell left on the rope). As the tomato thaws, the string loops rip through the tomato and the corpse falls while the detectives are already on the scene. What I don't know is why the police woman ignored the detective or why the window was fogged up early on but then was clear sometimes later. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 22nd, 2009, 6:50pm Okay your really close. Yes, it was tied to the ventilation fan. More that one end was tied to the tomato. Tomato was looped around the stomach. And for Azgard: A loop on each end. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by daemonturk on Feb 22nd, 2009, 11:23pm There are some concepts here that copy Detective Conan, in the case where the guy made it look like murder with the knife in his back. But he actually rested himself on a knife frozen in an iceblock, and heated the room, thus melting the ice and stabbing himself. I'm sure Detective Conan got it from somewhere else (not Sherlock Holmes though). |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 23rd, 2009, 1:33am Nah, the killer was that other chef in the kitchen. Love Detective Conan. This was from another Detective (ish) manga though |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by daemonturk on Feb 23rd, 2009, 1:46am Quote:
I was talking about a Detective Conan chapter... |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 23rd, 2009, 3:31am Oh I only read up to 300 some so I either forgot or didn't read it |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Eigenray on Feb 24th, 2009, 5:48pm daemonturk is talking about the one where he first meets Yoko. Kind of sad that I knew that right off the top of my head. It was actually in the first volume: chapters 6-9. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 24th, 2009, 7:49pm Argh. I can't remember. That was a while back. I do, however, remember the one about the two sisters who were fans of Yoko and one kills the other and later regrets it.... Or something like that |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 25th, 2009, 7:01am on 02/22/09 at 13:26:50, denis wrote:
I'm not sure about the police woman, but the foggy window... I think the window was foggy early on because of the steam coming from the soup. I think the reason the window was clear later was because the murderer had gone in the room to retrieve the rope, thereby releasing a bunch of the steam in the room and giving the window a chance to clear. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 25th, 2009, 10:49am That's not why the window wasn't steamy. The pot was still boiling when they investigated the scene Though the killer did do something to stop the steam from gathering as he went to remove the rope |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 26th, 2009, 9:06am Did he turn the ventilation fan on, or put a lid on the pot? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 26th, 2009, 9:22am It had something to do with the ventilator fan. Remember, no one saw the rope when they entered the room |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 26th, 2009, 2:44pm The rope, being tied to the ventilator fan, was stopping the fan blades from turning, thus allowing the window to fog up. Once the weight of the body and the frozen tomato were no longer being supported by the rope, the fan was able to resume turning again. As the fan began to turn, it wound the rope up around its shaft so the rope was then out of sight and the window was able to clear. |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Feb 26th, 2009, 5:58pm Yep XD |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Azgard on Feb 26th, 2009, 6:29pm As in, the final "Yep" ?! Riddle solved "Yep" ?! We still haven't figured out why the female cop ignored the detective... You said it was relevant. Maybe he just wasn't her type...? |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Mar 1st, 2009, 8:38pm I just meant that the window was clear so he could see her.... BUT It is VERY IMPORTANT Obviously the female cop is already seeing someone. I mean, come on. Being a detective is soooooooo manly |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Mar 1st, 2009, 8:38pm But yeah, riddle solved |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by Grimbal on Mar 2nd, 2009, 1:09am on 02/22/09 at 18:50:32, cheesepuff wrote:
I'd like to see how you do that! |
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Title: Re: The standing dead Post by cheesepuff on Mar 2nd, 2009, 9:09pm http://www.onemanga.com/Majin_Tantei_Nougami_Neuro/6/04/ |
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