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(Message started by: Iceman on Oct 11th, 2008, 3:19pm)
Title: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 11th, 2008, 3:19pm
Mark killed Dean in his home, and then ran out in panic. The police found fingerprints belonging to another person, but Mark was arrested. Why? Mind you, there were no witnesses and nothing else was found that could incriminate Mark.  
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Wardub on Oct 12th, 2008, 12:44am
[hide]They were Dean's finger prints.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 12th, 2008, 2:18am

on 10/12/08 at 00:44:27, Wardub wrote:
[hide]They were Dean's finger prints.[/hide]

Of course there were Dean's fingerprints in his home, but it doesn't explain why Mark got arrested.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by towr on Oct 12th, 2008, 7:59am
Mark was jaywalking? (Or otherwise arrested for something entirely unrelated to the murder.)
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 12th, 2008, 8:36am

on 10/11/08 at 15:19:42, Iceman wrote:
Mark killed Dean in his home

"his home" means Mark's home.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 12th, 2008, 9:55am

on 10/12/08 at 07:59:58, towr wrote:
Mark was jaywalking? (Or otherwise arrested for something entirely unrelated to the murder.)

Nope. He was arrested for killing Dean.



on 10/12/08 at 08:36:48, gotit wrote:
"his home" means Mark's home.

Actually, it means Dean's home, not Mark's. That is what I meant, but the way it is worded it does leave room for interpretation.




Quote:
...nothing else was found that could incriminate Mark.

Just so there is no plausible confusion, the knife in the chest and above fingerprints were the only evidence found in Dean's flat.

Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 12th, 2008, 10:16am
The fingerprints were of Mark's wife, who was there to help Mark when he committed the crime.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 12th, 2008, 10:21am
or of Mark's mother/father who died a short while ago, who left him the knife that he used to kill Dean.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 12th, 2008, 10:34am

on 10/12/08 at 10:16:39, gotit wrote:
The fingerprints were of Mark's wife, who was there to help Mark when he committed the crime.

Nope. There was nobody else in Dean's flat when the crime was committed.



on 10/12/08 at 10:21:03, 1337b4k4 wrote:
or of Mark's mother/father who died a short while ago, who left him the knife that he used to kill Dean.

No. Mark bought the knife and he showed it to nobody who could recognize it.



Title: Re: MDK
Post by Wardub on Oct 12th, 2008, 12:54pm
Mark felt bad about what he did and turned himself in.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 12th, 2008, 3:49pm
He didn't give himself up.  
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 12th, 2008, 8:58pm
the fingerprints were of the guy who sold the knife, who then led police to Mark.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 13th, 2008, 6:25am
The storekeeper who sold the knife to Mark has no role in the case.  ;)
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Grimbal on Oct 13th, 2008, 6:42am
They found Dean's ape's fingerprints on a shiny pendent that Mark was wearing.  Since it is part of a costume that Mark rented for a party, it can only mean Mark went to visit Dean during the party, which is when Dean was killed.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 13th, 2008, 6:55am
[hide]The fingerprints led the police to another person who, they found, was also lying dead in his house. In this house,.the police found evidence against Mark[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 13th, 2008, 10:22am

on 10/13/08 at 06:42:12, Grimbal wrote:
They found Dean's ape's fingerprints on a shiny pendent that Mark was wearing.  Since it is part of a costume that Mark rented for a party, it can only mean Mark went to visit Dean during the party, which is when Dean was killed.

The fingerprints were found on the knife, and no costumes. Interesting idea though.



on 10/13/08 at 06:55:50, gotit wrote:
[hide]The fingerprints led the police to another person who, they found, was also lying dead in his house. In this house,.the police found evidence against Mark[/hide]

Only poor Dean died that night.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 13th, 2008, 10:43am
[hide]Mark and the person whose fingerprints were found on the spot were Siamese Twins.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 13th, 2008, 11:27am
If there is an alternative answer, I suppose this one is it. 8) But there are no [hide]Siamese twins[/hide] regarding the intended answer.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 13th, 2008, 11:41am
[hide]Mark was incharge of some morgue. He bought the knife, got the fingerprint of one of the dead bodies in the morgue on the knife and killed Dean. The police traced the fingerprint to the dead body in the morgue and arrested Mark since he was the incharge.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 13th, 2008, 11:49am
Not bad, but he ran out in panic. He would have to be calm enough to do what you suggest. Hell, he would have to be cold as ice, calculated and all.  
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 13th, 2008, 12:46pm
the fingerprints were of someone that mark had killed in the past?
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Grimbal on Oct 13th, 2008, 5:50pm
The ape and costume idea was from Columbo.

What about: [hide]Dean wrote his name with his own fingerprints on the knife blade.  Of course, he could have written his name with blood, but he was afraid Mark would come back and wipe it.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 13th, 2008, 6:32pm

on 10/13/08 at 17:50:26, Grimbal wrote:
The ape and costume idea was from Columbo.

What about: [hide]Dean wrote his name with his own fingerprints on the knife blade.  Of course, he could have written his name with blood, but he was afraid Mark would come back and wipe it.[/hide]


That seems impossibly hard. Also, the fingerprints were of "another person."

The police were desperate to find someone to assuage the fears of the public, and so arrested Mark (luckily choosing the actual murderer).
Title: Re: MDK
Post by iono on Oct 14th, 2008, 7:41pm
So far, none of the answers seem to have anything to do with him running away in panic.

[hide]When Mark ran out, he also ran in...to another person. Afraid that person might have seen the murder, he kills him, and hides the body, which is later found and linked to Mark.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 14th, 2008, 9:14pm
I dunno, that seems to go against the idea that "there were no witnesses and nothing else was found that could incriminate Mark" thing. My guess is that the fingerprints are still somehow key.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Sir Col on Oct 14th, 2008, 11:47pm
The fingerprints belonged to Dean's two year old child, Gabriel (a.k.a. Syler). After exhibiting unusual "powers" Dean invited a parapsychologist called Mark to investigate. During the examination the child used telekenesis to launch a kitchen knife into his father's chest, killing him. Mark realised that he would never be able to explain this to the police, so he panicked, grabbed the child, and left. He was picked up later by the police and charge with murder and kidnapping.



[edit]Missed the previous post about a knife being used, but it still doesn't change the fact that I'm wrong! :'( [/edit]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 15th, 2008, 5:20am
No winner yet.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by denis on Oct 15th, 2008, 7:05am

on 10/11/08 at 15:19:42, Iceman wrote:
Mark killed Dean in his home, and then ran out in panic.  


Is the fact that he ran out in panic significant to solving the riddle. Supposing he had walked out calmly, would this render the solution implausible?
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 15th, 2008, 7:59am
It was a kitchen knife and the fingerprints were of Mark's cook.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 15th, 2008, 9:24am

on 10/15/08 at 07:05:43, denis wrote:
Is the fact that he ran out in panic significant to solving the riddle.

It is important.



on 10/15/08 at 07:59:11, gotit wrote:
It was a kitchen knife and the fingerprints were of Mark's cook.

I said that Mark bought the knife, so no.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by cheesepuff on Oct 15th, 2008, 12:27pm
They weren't fingerprints after all. They were toe prints. How's that for lateral thinking.  ;D

Or something like how Mark is blind, and the fingerprints belonged to his seeing eye dog

Do dogs have fingerprints? Do they count as witnesses?  :o
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 15th, 2008, 1:15pm
The police found fingerprints, Mark isn't blind and animals have no role in the riddle.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 15th, 2008, 2:47pm

on 10/13/08 at 10:22:31, Iceman wrote:
The fingerprints were found on the knife,


on 10/12/08 at 10:34:03, Iceman wrote:
Mark bought the knife and he showed it to nobody who could recognize it.


This leads us to wonder how someone else's fingerprints got on the knife. The key might be in the phrase "who could recognize it." So: Mark must have bought the knife, let someone else who could lead the police to Mark touch it, and then killed Dean. Maybe Mark's blind mother or young child touched it accidentally at some point before he killed Dean with it.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 15th, 2008, 8:53pm

on 10/15/08 at 14:47:27, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Mark must have bought the knife, let someone else who could lead the police to Mark touch it, and then killed Dean.

It doesn't make sense to me.



on 10/15/08 at 14:47:27, 1337b4k4 wrote:
Maybe Mark's blind mother or young child touched it accidentally at some point before he killed Dean with it.

No such accident.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 16th, 2008, 2:05am
[hide]After Mark stabbed Dean, he heard someone (let's call him X) coming. He panicked and did something because of which X had a chance to see his face. X entered the house and saw Dean lying on the floor with a knife stabbed in his chest. He tried to remove the knife, thus leaving his fingerprints on it. Then he called the police and gave them a description of Mark's face.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by cheesepuff on Oct 16th, 2008, 5:37am

on 10/16/08 at 02:05:15, gotit wrote:
[hide]After Mark stabbed Dean, he heard someone (let's call him X) coming. He panicked and did something because of which X had a chance to see his face. X entered the house and saw Dean lying on the floor with a knife stabbed in his chest. He tried to remove the knife, thus leaving his fingerprints on it. Then he called the police and gave them a description of Mark's face.[/hide]


But there were no witnesses

Maybe Dean lives all the way up in the mountain, so he rarely get visitors, and it just so happens that he told his friend that Mark was coming, because MArk had to return Dean's Nintendo Wii after breaking his own television screen with it. Enraged with Dean for not getting some type of protective grip, Mark killed hiim. without knowing that someone else knew that Mark was there when Dean was killed

Or Mark signed in because Dean lived in a motel or something where the visitors had to sign in. Though that would really go against the "leave no incriminating evidence" rule
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 16th, 2008, 5:55am
No to both.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 16th, 2008, 7:58am
[hide]The man whose fingerprints were found could be one of Mark's relatives who was suffering from Parkinson's disease. Mark showed him the knife and got his fingerprints, but he could not remember anything of it because of the disease. As Mark ran out in panic, he forgot to take the knife which led the police to Mark's suffering relative and finally to Mark.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 16th, 2008, 8:09am
Mark showed the knife to nobody.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by cheesepuff on Oct 16th, 2008, 8:17am
Can you get fingerprints off a glove (someone was holding the outside of a glove and the oil got onto the glove and transferred to the knife)
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 16th, 2008, 8:29am
No gloves.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 16th, 2008, 9:09am
[hide]Mark did not show the knife to anyone but it's quite possible that someone had seen and touched it without his knowledge. May be a thief who had come to steal in Mark's house the previous night had held it. After the murder, the thief recognized the knife and Mark was arrested.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by denis on Oct 16th, 2008, 10:14am

on 10/13/08 at 17:50:26, Grimbal wrote:
The ape and costume idea was from Columbo.


I saw that episode not too long ago. I was thinking of writing a "What happened" based on the premise but now I see it would have been solved quite easily.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 16th, 2008, 12:24pm

on 10/16/08 at 09:09:24, gotit wrote:
[hide]Mark did not show the knife to anyone but it's quite possible that someone had seen and touched it without his knowledge.[/hide]

That's not it either. So, what could be the answer? Hm..
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Oct 16th, 2008, 5:58pm
MDK... I remember that acronym from [hide]Demolition Man.  Murder death kill[/hide].  Any relation?
Title: Re: MDK
Post by cheesepuff on Oct 16th, 2008, 7:20pm
One of Mark's servant's or family (just anyone else living in his house) grabbed the knife while it was hidden in a cabinet to cut some fruit, without Mark's knowledge. When the police traced it back they had a perfect alibi. Unfortunately, Mark, the only other person in the house, did not.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by gotit on Oct 17th, 2008, 1:54am
[hide]How about Skin Grafting? Mark had burnt his right palm a few months back and some other persons skin was grafted on his palm because of which the fingerprints were actually of the person whose skin was grafted.[/hide]
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Sir Col on Oct 17th, 2008, 2:19am
I think we need to establish some base facts, so...

(1) Did Mark intend to kill Dean before he arrived?

(1=No, 1a) Did Dean do something to provoke Mark to kill him? Was it an accident?

(1=Yes, 1b) Was the knife already in Dean's home?

(2) Did the other set of fingerprints prove the guilt of Mark?
(3) Was Mark related to Dean?
(4) Was there any evidence in Dean's home to tell the police that Mark had ever been there?

(4=No, 4a) Did some evidence in Dean's home lead to further evidence outside the flat that linked to Mark?

(4=Yes, 4b) Did the absence of Mark's fingerprints cause suspicion?

(5) Was it the knife that killed Dean?

(5=No, 5a) Was it the actual cause of death that led to Mark?

(5=Yes, 5b) Were the police able to trace the knife to Mark in some way?
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 17th, 2008, 2:39am
I like the train of thought of 4b.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by JiNbOtAk on Oct 17th, 2008, 4:12am
The fingerprints on the knife belonged to Dean.


Mark and Dean was supposed to rehearse a scene which involves Dean trying to stab Mark, which however Mark deflected and Dean got stabbed instead. They were supposed to use a rubber knife, but hey, sh*t happens.  ;D

That would explain Mark running away in panic too.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by cheesepuff on Oct 17th, 2008, 4:20am
Oh I just had a thought while looking at JiNbOtAk's post

Dean wanted to commit suicide, and Mark didn't stop him, which might be a crime. (is it? I'm not sure...)
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 18th, 2008, 12:58pm
Fine guesses.



on 10/17/08 at 01:54:46, gotit wrote:
[hide]How about Skin Grafting? Mark had burnt his right palm a few months back and some other persons skin was grafted on his palm because of which the fingerprints were actually of the person whose skin was grafted.[/hide]

You win. I dunno much about [hide]skin grafting, but I doubt that fingertips can be transplanted[/hide]. I was thinking of [hide]hand transplantation[/hide].
Title: Re: MDK
Post by cheesepuff on Oct 18th, 2008, 6:31pm
skin grafting fingerprints sounds more possible than hand transplantation though...
Title: Re: MDK
Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 19th, 2008, 1:25am
meh, I would argue that the found fingerprints still "belonged" to Mark.
Title: Re: MDK
Post by Iceman on Oct 19th, 2008, 7:08am

on 10/18/08 at 18:31:31, cheesepuff wrote:
skin grafting fingerprints sounds more possible than hand transplantation though...

Try this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_transplantation).



on 10/19/08 at 01:25:03, 1337b4k4 wrote:
meh, I would argue that the found fingerprints still "belonged" to Mark.

Not according to the computer. I think they keep records of deceased for 10 years or so.  


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