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(Message started by: cheesepuff on Apr 29th, 2008, 4:09pm)
Title: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 29th, 2008, 4:09pm
A man who was slightly drunk was drowned down at the beach. He was not suicidal but he was just found lying down. Why didn't or couldn't he just get up and escape drowning?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on Apr 29th, 2008, 5:37pm
Because he was murdered.

Or he was retarded. When he fell he was just like turtle on its back.

Or he fell and hit his head on the rock.

Or tsunami arrived.

Or he walked on his hands instead of legs.

Or he was tied up.

Or he was hypnotized so he had no choice about it.

Or electric eel paralyzed him.

Or he was sleepwalking and then, when he got to the beach, he was ’sleepswimming.’

Or he didn’t have to escape drowning because there was no danger and he is still very much alive.  

Or his head was stuck in the rock.

Or anaconda captured him but he died because of drowning. It was a coincidence.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by ima1trkpny on Apr 29th, 2008, 9:08pm
He fell asleep underneath his car lying on the beach.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 29th, 2008, 9:32pm

on 04/29/08 at 17:37:26, Iceman wrote:
Because he was murdered.

Or he was retarded. When he fell he was just like turtle on its back.

Or he fell and hit his head on the rock.

Or tsunami arrived.

Or he walked on his hands instead of legs.

Or he was tied up.

Or he was hypnotized so he had no choice about it.

Or electric eel paralyzed him.

Or he was sleepwalking and then, when he got to the beach, he was ’sleepswimming.’

Or he didn’t have to escape drowning because there was no danger and he is still very much alive.  

Or his head was stuck in the rock.

Or anaconda captured him but he died because of drowning. It was a coincidence.


Interesting ideas... no
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 29th, 2008, 9:33pm

on 04/29/08 at 21:08:18, ima1trkpny wrote:
He fell asleep underneath his car lying on the beach.


nothing was found on top of him.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by gotit on Apr 29th, 2008, 11:00pm
[hide]He was drunk and fell asleep on the beach. Unfortunately, it was high tide.[/hide]
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on Apr 30th, 2008, 2:05am
He is turning into a fly so little alcohol killed him.

Or he was Borg. Drones get easily drunk.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Archae on Apr 30th, 2008, 10:53am
He stepped on a dreaded stone fish, or was stung by a jellyfish, or any like scenario in which he was partially paralyzed and drowned.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Grimbal on Apr 30th, 2008, 2:22pm
A narrow beach under a high cliff?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 30th, 2008, 3:08pm

on 04/29/08 at 23:00:12, gotit wrote:
[hide]He was drunk and fell asleep on the beach. Unfortunately, it was high tide.[/hide]


He was killed during high tide but he wasn't drunk enough to faint like that without being woken up by the water... so what made him stay?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 30th, 2008, 3:09pm

on 04/30/08 at 10:53:23, Archae wrote:
He stepped on a dreaded stone fish, or was stung by a jellyfish, or any like scenario in which he was partially paralyzed and drowned.


no


on 04/30/08 at 14:22:12, Grimbal wrote:
A narrow beach under a high cliff?


no
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by tt612r on Apr 30th, 2008, 5:18pm
[hide] he was drunk and fell off a plane or helicoptor into the water and the tide brought him to the coast. [/hide]
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 30th, 2008, 9:07pm

on 04/30/08 at 17:18:51, tt612r wrote:
[hide] he was drunk and fell off a plane or helicoptor into the water and the tide brought him to the coast. [/hide]


He was on the beach the whole time
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 1st, 2008, 4:18pm
Hint:[hide] There WAS something holding him down on the beach. However, nothing was found on him.[/hide]

Oh and by the way, I'm never going into the microsoft/cs putnam sections again. EVER. I don't think those should count as riddles. They're waaay to complicated....
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by iono on May 1st, 2008, 5:17pm
yeah, especially with my geometry-level math and no computer skills.... anyway, could the guy swim?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 1st, 2008, 7:37pm

on 05/01/08 at 16:18:27, cheesepuff wrote:
Hint:[hide] There WAS something holding him down on the beach. However, nothing was found on him.[/hide]


I hope you don't mean he's bound by ice-shackles ? Cos that would be too weird.   ::)
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by gotit on May 2nd, 2008, 3:35am
[hide]His feet got entangled by one of those sea weeds that came along with the water.[/hide]
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 2nd, 2008, 5:03pm
He can swim and no to all guesses so far.

The thing that held him down is pretty common near the beach.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 2nd, 2008, 7:16pm
Sea weed ? ( as gotit said )

Fishing net ?

Crabs ?  ;D
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by tt612r on May 3rd, 2008, 10:40am
[hide]  he was partially buried by the sand and by the time he was found the sand was washed off by the tide [/hide]
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on May 3rd, 2008, 10:48am

on 05/03/08 at 10:40:33, tt612r wrote:
[hide]  he was partially buried by the sand and by the time he was found the sand was washed off by the tide [/hide]

This guess looks like the winner to me.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 3rd, 2008, 1:04pm

on 05/03/08 at 10:40:33, tt612r wrote:
[hide]  he was partially buried by the sand and by the time he was found the sand was washed off by the tide [/hide]


No but one part of your answer is along the right path.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by ssa on May 4th, 2008, 6:06am
You haven't written that the beach is sandy anywhere. So that's why I think that it's a rocky beach.

[hide]The guy came drunk and he slipped on some rocks causing him to fall on the ground and then some more rocks fell on him making him unable to move. Then the water level got above his body, he got drowned, and the tide washed away the rocks after he died.[/hide]
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on May 4th, 2008, 9:11am
Because he was just a baby. His name was Aman.

Or he was Siamese twin.  
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 4th, 2008, 9:34am
Any rock heavy enough to hold him down wouldn't be light enough to get washed away. He wasn't weak  ::)
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 4th, 2008, 9:34am

on 05/04/08 at 09:11:10, Iceman wrote:
Because he was just a baby. His name was Aman.

Or he was Siamese twin.  


And no. He was a full grown adult male. not Siamese
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on May 4th, 2008, 10:05am
He was drowned somewhere else, and then his body floated towards the beach. He fell overboard.

Or it was high tide and he was on a small island.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by DeMark on May 4th, 2008, 1:10pm
Was the unfortunate event preceeded by a party, or has he been alone all the time?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 4th, 2008, 3:40pm

on 05/04/08 at 10:05:02, Iceman wrote:
He was drowned somewhere else, and then his body floated towards the beach. He fell overboard.

Or it was high tide and he was on a small island.


no


on 05/04/08 at 13:10:40, DeMark wrote:
Was the unfortunate event preceeded by a party, or has he been alone all the time?


Parties aren't important. He was drowned by a person he thought he could trust. The person that drowned him, however, wasn't there when he drowned. He [hide]had something hold him there until high tide and then it was washed away[/hide]
So what is it?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on May 4th, 2008, 4:21pm
Dissolving handcuffs.   :-[
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by gotit on May 5th, 2008, 1:55am
Or some kind of dissolving adhesive that was used to glue his feet together.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by DeMark on May 5th, 2008, 5:27am
Or a boat!  ;D

Nah, I had a nice little solution that included a number of people. Hence the party.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Grimbal on May 5th, 2008, 6:35am
Trapped by [hide]quicksand[/hide] and drown by the tide?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on May 5th, 2008, 9:38am
His tongue was glued to the refrigerator under sand.

::)
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by DeMark on May 5th, 2008, 9:52am
He was slightly overweight (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=472865&in_page_id=1770).  :P
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 5th, 2008, 2:23pm

on 05/05/08 at 05:27:25, DeMark wrote:
Or a boat!  ;D

Nah, I had a nice little solution that included a number of people. Hence the party.


actually... you got it...
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by DeMark on May 6th, 2008, 2:05am
Really?

So someone turned a boat upside-down, put it over him and waited for a tide to rise?

Or without the turning part. I see how it can be done.  :P
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Iceman on May 6th, 2008, 4:20am
So his stupid friends killed him, forgetting about high tide? Nice friends.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by ssa on May 6th, 2008, 5:48am
What if it was his wife or girlfriend, already sick of him beating her when he is drunk?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on May 6th, 2008, 7:16pm
well it was right side up, but it was a relatively heavy boat so the tide would wash it away and it would look natural floating at sea
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Eigenray on Jul 30th, 2008, 5:38pm
[link=http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/311/]Aha[/link].  I thought this one was from Conan too, but I'd only been watching the anime, and this one hasn't been subbed into English yet.  So I only got up to it in the manga just now.  Anyway, the criminals in this show really need to know when to shut up and ask for a lawyer.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Wardub on Aug 1st, 2008, 12:10am

on 07/30/08 at 17:38:10, Eigenray wrote:
[link=http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/311/]Aha[/link].  I thought this one was from Conan too, but I'd only been watching the anime, and this one hasn't been subbed into English yet.  So I only got up to it in the manga just now.  Anyway, the criminals in this show really need to know when to shut up and ask for a lawyer.


HAHA off topic, but thanks for giving a link to detective conan in the other topics.  I started reading them and really like them.  Funny thing is this the case I just finished reading!
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by JiNbOtAk on Aug 8th, 2008, 7:28am

on 07/30/08 at 17:38:10, Eigenray wrote:
[link=http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/311/]Aha[/link].  I thought this one was from Conan too, but I'd only been watching the anime, and this one hasn't been subbed into English yet.  So I only got up to it in the manga just now.  Anyway, the criminals in this show really need to know when to shut up and ask for a lawyer.


You watch anime ? At your age ?   ::)
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Eigenray on Aug 8th, 2008, 10:15am
Well, yes.  I got hooked on it when it was on TV a few years ago, but they only showed the first 50 episodes.  Since then I've downloaded most of the other 460 or so.  ::)

(The other shows I'd watch -- Full Metal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Paranoia Agent, Witch Hunter Robin, and of course, Evangelion -- are all much shorter.  Though FMA is relatively long I guess: I stopped reading the manga because it seemed to be dragging, but it's pretty different from the anime.  I don't have cable anymore so I don't know what they're showing now.)

It's a fun show.  I'm not sure who the target audience is, because the main character is a little kid (who's actually a high school student... shrunk by some mysterious organization... long story), but somebody gets murdered in almost every episode.  It usually goes something like this: Conan and friends are at random location, where they meet a group of 4 people.  Optional: someone mentions 'the incident' that occurred exactly n years ago.  One of them ends up dead.  But all 3 suspects have alibis.  Or it looks like a suicide in a locked room.  Or one of them is framed.  Etc.  Then Conan figures out who did it, what trick they used, and how to prove they did it.

Anyway, it's useful for learning Japanese, because some words are repeated so often in each show you learn them without even trying: murder, criminal, "call an ambulance and the police!", victim, suicide, accident, various causes of death, corpse, blood, fingerprint, evidence...  Well, one of those at least is good to know.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by towr on Aug 8th, 2008, 11:58am

on 08/08/08 at 07:28:11, JiNbOtAk wrote:
You watch anime ? At your age ?   ::)
What's wrong with watching anime at any age?
Well, granted, I probably wouldn't let a 7-year old watch Elfen Lied (if it were up to my initiative); but there's anime for any age group.

Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't be watching Kim Possible at my age.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by JiNbOtAk on Aug 11th, 2008, 9:39pm

on 08/08/08 at 10:15:25, Eigenray wrote:
It's a fun show.  I'm not sure who the target audience is, because the main character is a little kid (who's actually a high school student... shrunk by some mysterious organization... long story), but somebody gets murdered in almost every episode.  It usually goes something like this: Conan and friends are at random location, where they meet a group of 4 people.  Optional: someone mentions 'the incident' that occurred exactly n years ago.  One of them ends up dead.  But all 3 suspects have alibis.  Or it looks like a suicide in a locked room.  Or one of them is framed.  Etc.  Then Conan figures out who did it, what trick they used, and how to prove they did it.


Since I'm a fan of Conan too, ( the manga ) I guess I can't fault you for that. ( Though you have to admit, some of his cases are really...circumstancial )


on 08/08/08 at 10:15:25, Eigenray wrote:
Anyway, it's useful for learning Japanese, because some words are repeated so often in each show you learn them without even trying: murder, criminal, "call an ambulance and the police!", victim, suicide, accident, various causes of death, corpse, blood, fingerprint, evidence...  Well, one of those at least is good to know.


Spending nearly all my time watching naruto and onepiece, I've only managed to grasp 'hajime', 'kaizoku' and 'kanpai'.  :P


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Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't be watching Kim Possible at my age.

You shouldn't. Totally Spies is much better.  ;D
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Aug 25th, 2008, 6:47pm
You also get BAKA a lot in Conan

I usually read the manga, started reading it in chinese to learn Chinese...

But I like watching subbed because dubbed in American gives me a headache
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Eigenray on Aug 25th, 2008, 10:12pm
...and 'aho' whenever Heiji shows up, for a bit of Kansai-ben.  I think the first words I learned from watching the show were masaka and yappari (just because they usually occur by themselves so you don't have to listen carefully to pick them out of sentences), but you really can't miss hannin, satsujin(jiken), and of course (mei)tantei.

I don't know why US subbers are so slow, when the Chinese subs are out almost immediately.  We're 4 episodes behind now -- we must not allow a Conan gap!  In fact, you could sub them without even knowing Japanese, just by copying the dialogue out of the corresponding manga chapter.  They're almost exactly the same, scene for scene.  In fact, it would probably come out better than some of the subs I've seen: "he died from the strong knock of his back head," "it seemed he was hated deeply, having been stroken for times," "do you have any clews?"
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by towr on Aug 26th, 2008, 12:18am

on 08/25/08 at 22:12:56, Eigenray wrote:
I don't know why US subbers are so slow, when the Chinese subs are out almost immediately.  We're 4 episodes behind now
Maybe because there are four times as many Chinese? :P

If they're only 4 episodes behind the airing in Japan, then as far as fansubbing goes, that's not particularly slow. I'm still waiting for some shows from last season.


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In fact, you could sub them without even knowing Japanese, just by copying the dialogue out of the corresponding manga chapter.  They're almost exactly the same, scene for scene.
Well, then download the raw and read along, or even sub it yourself ;)
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Aug 26th, 2008, 8:39pm
For all those who enjoy Conan, you might also like "Death Note."  If you haven't already seen it, I highly recommend doing so... ASAP.  I've never been into anime but my younger brother (who is something of an anime buff I guess) handed it to me.  He also suggested (and I'm now of the same mind) that anyone who plays townspeople versus "Mafia," or "Werewolf," or whatever other variants of the game might exist - watch this immediately.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by towr on Aug 27th, 2008, 12:16am

on 08/26/08 at 20:39:46, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
For all those who enjoy Conan, you might also like "Death Note."
I can't imagine they are in any way similar. Well, except that people get killed in both. But from the few chapters of Conan manga I've read, the tone is entirely different.
Not that I wouldn't recommend "death note"; it's one of the best animes I've seen (although it's not quite as good toward the end).


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He also suggested (and I'm now of the same mind) that anyone who plays townspeople versus "Mafia," or "Werewolf," or whatever other variants of the game might exist - watch this immediately.
That I can see. Although I don't see any reason for immediacy. :P
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Aug 27th, 2008, 2:57am

on 08/27/08 at 00:16:56, towr wrote:
Not that I wouldn't recommend "death note"; it's one of the best animes I've seen (although it's not quite as good toward the end).


Deathnote was the best when Raito/Light was running from/Working with L. Then came Near and Mello...

And Deathnote isn't like Conan at all really. There is another mystery solving manga, sorta creepier than Conan.
It's Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by towr on Aug 27th, 2008, 3:20am

on 08/27/08 at 02:57:34, cheesepuff wrote:
Deathnote was the best when Raito/Light was running from/Working with L. Then came Near and Mello...
Indeed. And the very last episode was really one of terribly bad planning and foresight (but then Light had that problem intermittently from the start. If he showed some self-control at the start... Well, I suppose it might have been a much more boring plot.)
gripe 1: [hide]At the beginning he should have waited a week before killing (the fake) L.[/hide]
gripe n: [hide]At the end, he should have written down the names of everyone opposing him, to die within a month without interfering with him; then, with his plot for the final confrontation failing, he could have just taken someone's gun and shot Near.[/hide]
I'll leave the other n-2 gripes to the imagination.


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There is another mystery solving manga, sorta creepier than Conan.
It's Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro
How about "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" for creepy mystery?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Wardub on Aug 27th, 2008, 7:32am
I'm not a huge anime buff but I really like Detective Conan so  I asked around and was recommended Lupin III, I guess it's suppose to be similar.  Unfortunately I haven't found anywhere I can watch or read yet.  Anyone heard of Lupin III?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by towr on Aug 27th, 2008, 7:47am

on 08/27/08 at 07:32:27, Wardub wrote:
I'm not a huge anime buff but I really like Detective Conan so  I asked around and was recommended Lupin III, I guess it's suppose to be similar.  Unfortunately I haven't found anywhere I can watch or read yet.  Anyone heard of Lupin III?
I've heard of it. It's Ye Old Anime, like seventies.
I really only know of it only in connection to Nabeshin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinichi_Watanabe); who, at least in-anime, dresses like Lupin.

Isohunt seems to have enough torrents for Lupin III, just search and sort on size. And as they say, if you like it (and can afford it) buy it. I'm sure amazon has it or something.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by JohanC on Aug 27th, 2008, 8:10am

on 08/27/08 at 07:47:13, towr wrote:
And as they say, if you like it (and can afford it) buy it. I'm sure amazon has it or something.


Or at Archonia (http://www.archonia.com/index.php?page=subject&idx=l&series=431&cat=2).
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Aug 27th, 2008, 9:25am

on 08/27/08 at 00:16:56, towr wrote:
I can't imagine they are in any way similar.


I know little about anime but it seemed to me that a mystery fan might also enjoy a kind of "thinking puzzle" experience.  And I found it interesting, despite my ignorance of the media.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by towr on Aug 27th, 2008, 10:44am

on 08/27/08 at 09:25:13, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
I know little about anime but it seemed to me that a mystery fan might also enjoy a kind of "thinking puzzle" experience.  And I found it interesting, despite my ignorance of the media.
I'm really not sure what role "ignorance of the medium" might play. It's animation, you watch it, it tells you a story. I never felt there was something you needed to "get" about the medium. But perhaps I'm misunderstanding your opening and closing comment.
Death Note ranks more as a thriller than a murder mystery/detective to me; there's a whole different dynamic to the story. I suspect Conan probably has to crack a case every episode or two, with little in the way of an overarching plot. Death Note on the other hand is a continuous cat-and-mouse game where both parties try to outmaneuver and trap eachother, with all of their lives on the line. It's a lot darker in comparison.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Eigenray on Aug 29th, 2008, 9:02pm

on 08/26/08 at 00:18:23, towr wrote:
Well, then download the raw and read along, or even sub it yourself ;)

It takes a while to watch the raw, since I end up listening to it at least twice, then downloading it again when it's subbed (actually, Japanese subs would be pretty good, or raw manga scans with legible furigana...).  And now that I've finished Death Note the series, I've still got the special and 3 movies to watch, apparently, and then Higurashi no Naku Koro ni.... and maybe a thesis if there's time.


on 08/27/08 at 10:44:16, towr wrote:
Death Note ranks more as a thriller than a murder mystery/detective to me; there's a whole different dynamic to the story. I suspect Conan probably has to crack a case every episode or two, with little in the way of an overarching plot. Death Note on the other hand is a continuous cat-and-mouse game where both parties try to outmaneuver and trap eachother, with all of their lives on the line. It's a lot darker in comparison.

Conan has a plot, namely uncovering information about the Black Organization and getting his body back.  The current season started with a 13-episode arc, but usually it only comes a couple episodes at a time.  Definitely not as suspenseful as Death Note though: lives are in danger, but the only people who actually die are those introduced in the same episode(s).  I can only think of [hide]one exception[/hide] ([hide]and even then I don't think he's really dead[/hide]...).  But of course, you can't just sit down and plan out over 500 episodes of intricate plot... and why kill the cow when you can keep selling the milk, eh?
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by towr on Aug 30th, 2008, 1:44am

on 08/29/08 at 21:02:17, Eigenray wrote:
And now that I've finished Death Note the series, I've still got the special and 3 movies to watch, apparently
Anime, or live-action?
I haven't seen anything about an (animated) special or movies.


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and then Higurashi no Naku Koro ni....
And Ergo Proxy, and Elfen Lied ;)


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and maybe a thesis if there's time.
Bah, why waste time on such trivial things; priorities, priorities :P
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by Eigenray on Aug 30th, 2008, 2:25am
There was a "3 hour" (2:10) TV special that's mostly a recap but with "a few new scenes, including an alternate ending".  The two live-action movies in 2006 covered episodes 1-9 and 10-25, with a couple [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Note_(film)#Differences_Between_Manga_and_Film]differences[/link] (spoilers).  The third one (also live-action) in 2008 is a spin-off about L (L: Change the World); apparently it's not very good though.
Title: Re: Stuck Drowning
Post by cheesepuff on Aug 31st, 2008, 9:51pm
Lupin is a really old style manga... It's not bad though, if you can find it.

But I still like One Piece been reading it since it started, though that was a long time ago

sigh... why did Light have to kill L? I just finished the last part. I swear, Light is an idiot. He has the most amazing planning mixed in with the worst foresight I've seen.

And I didn't know Mello was a boy until like 20 chapters in the Mello/Near Saga...


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