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(Message started by: Iceman on Apr 20th, 2008, 5:17pm)
Title: Challenge
Post by Iceman on Apr 20th, 2008, 5:17pm
There are two androids w/o emotions, Data and Lore. Lore is better than Data regarding a game called Tonopoly, and Data’s human friends want to see the two of them play it.

He challenges Data to play for the chip that can give one of them emotions, and Data agrees even though he wants the chip. So he knew he cannot win, but he played the game nonetheless. Can you explain it?
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 20th, 2008, 5:43pm
[hide]The game is a game of chance, and Data figures that even if he has a worse chance, there's a chance.[/hide]

But how do u want something badly without feelings? ::)
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Iceman on Apr 20th, 2008, 5:57pm

on 04/20/08 at 17:43:05, cheesepuff wrote:
[hide]The game is a game of chance, and Data figures that even if he has a worse chance, there's a chance.[/hide]

Nope.



on 04/20/08 at 17:43:05, cheesepuff wrote:
[But how do u want something badly without feelings? ::)

I changed it. Whatever.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 20th, 2008, 6:38pm
how many players is tonopoly?
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by towr on Apr 21st, 2008, 12:51am
Lore did have emotion, and quite a bit of ambition and malevolence, as I recall..
Hmmm.. Maybe this is in the mirror-universe.


[hide]Maybe Data can force a draw in the game. I remember from one episode where he played some game against an alien that he was unable to win, but when he stopped trying to win and played for a draw he succeeded and frustrated the hell out of his opponent.[/hide]
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Iceman on Apr 21st, 2008, 1:44am

on 04/21/08 at 00:51:37, towr wrote:
[hide]Maybe Data can force a draw in the game. I remember from one episode where he played some game against an alien that he was unable to win, but when he stopped trying to win and played for a draw he succeeded and frustrated the hell out of his opponent.[/hide]

Yup.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Grimbal on Apr 21st, 2008, 1:49am
How can you frustrate an emotionless droid?

No.  Data logically inferred that after Lore won the chip, he would feel happy.  And Data has been instructed to make people happy.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by towr on Apr 21st, 2008, 2:54am

on 04/21/08 at 01:49:30, Grimbal wrote:
How can you frustrate an emotionless droid?
That's not really the point; the point is the not-losing. Maybe the game has a time-limit or something.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Iceman on Apr 22nd, 2008, 10:07am

on 04/21/08 at 01:49:30, Grimbal wrote:
How can you frustrate an emotionless droid?

Just tell him that you’re annoyed. After all, he’s a droid and you’re annoyed.  ;D
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Azgard on Apr 22nd, 2008, 1:07pm

on 04/22/08 at 10:07:30, Iceman wrote:
Just tell him that you’re annoyed. After all, he’s a droid and you’re annoyed.  ;D


Thank you Guinan! Actually, I had the answer from that one episode of Star Trek TNG almost as soon as I finished reading the riddle, but alas, it had already been answered.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Roy on Apr 23rd, 2008, 10:30pm
Guinan?! Did Iceman change again?
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by temporary on Apr 27th, 2008, 2:01pm
Maybe tying in the first few rounds eventually leads to a win. Take e-card for example. The slave side(which data is on) can only win with slave, but if he ties with citizen 4 times, he wins.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Grimbal on Apr 28th, 2008, 3:03am

on 04/20/08 at 17:17:13, Iceman wrote:
There are two androids w/o emotions, Data and Lore. Lore is better than Data regarding a game called Tonopoly, and Data’s human friends want to see the two of them play it.

He challenges Data to play for the chip that can give one of them emotions, and Data agrees even though he wants the chip. So he knew he cannot win, but he played the game nonetheless. Can you explain it?


If there is some randomness, he still has a chance to win.

Or if Tonopoly's fair play rules state that the best player lets the other player play first.  Data knows he sucks at the game, but not to the point that he cannot guarantee a win if he plays first.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by lopsidation on Apr 30th, 2008, 7:08pm
Or he could let Lore win, but once Lore gets the emotion chip, use it against him by making him feel guility that he has the chip and Data doesn't, so he would give the chip to Data.
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Grimbal on May 5th, 2008, 6:15am
... and we enter an infinite loop.  ;D
Title: Re: Challenge
Post by Azgard on May 7th, 2008, 8:48pm
Anyone dealing up an unusual number of 3's today?  :P


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