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(Message started by: Iceman on Apr 2nd, 2008, 9:31am)
Title: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 2nd, 2008, 9:31am
Jabba the Hutt is a loan shark and he sends his goons after you, as you owe him money for some time now. They find you and bring you to Jabba, who gives you two options.

First option is to be thrown in the aquarium, where’s the great white shark. The 2nd option is on a simulated reality called holodeck, all of which security measures have been removed. There you’ll be crushed by two opposite walls, acting like hydraulic press. You may handle the details by choosing room’s size, because even though I’m cruel, I’m not that cruel. But then he says that he still prefers some suspense, thus the strong shield will be surrounding you, which is vulnerable to the above walls only. Don’t worry. The shield cannot endure for long the above walls, so it’ll all be over before you know it.

There will be miniature cameras all over the ceiling, so Jabba doesn’t miss a thing. And if you miraculously survive either option, you may go and the debt will be forgotten. Which option would you choose?  
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Grimbal on Apr 2nd, 2008, 9:47am
I think I would [hide]return the money[/hide].  :-[
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by denis on Apr 2nd, 2008, 9:49am
reminds me of a jokle I heard:

Q: What is an astronomical unit?
A: One helluva big apartment
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 2nd, 2008, 9:50am
You have no money. You’re broke. Nice try though.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Azgard on Apr 2nd, 2008, 10:35am
I choose the room, and as I get to manipulate a few details of the room, I would have a doorway in each wall and make sure they line up with one another. Thus, surviving the crushing walls and having my debt  forgotten. :)
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by denis on Apr 2nd, 2008, 10:48am
Ice said: "thus the strong shield will be surrounding you, which is vulnerable to the above walls only"

That sentence is the key ("above walls only" referring to the two walls closing in but not the other fixed walls).

            A
    -------
    |   /  |
C  |  /   |  D
    | /    |
    -------

               B

Choose the size of the room similar to above. Walls C and D are the ones that close in. Make the distance between A and B about 75% of your height.

You are on the floor your head pointing to corner AD and your feet to corner BC. The shield will not resist the crushing wall C and D but is strong enough to break walls A and B from the force being applied by C and D. Once either A or B is breached, just crawl right out.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 2nd, 2008, 11:06am

on 04/02/08 at 10:35:32, Azgard wrote:
I choose the room, and as I get to manipulate a few details of the room, I would have a doorway in each wall and make sure they line up with one another. Thus, surviving the crushing walls and having my debt  forgotten. :)

.........no additional objects are allowed. So no doors or windows and such. Jabba is maybe dumb, but not that dumb. ;)




on 04/02/08 at 10:48:43, denis wrote:
Ice said: "thus the strong shield will be surrounding you, which is vulnerable to the above walls only"

That sentence is the key ("above walls only" referring to the two walls closing in but not the other fixed walls).

            A
    -------
    |   /  |
C  |  /   |  D
    | /    |
    -------

               B

Choose the size of the room similar to above. Walls C and D are the ones that close in. Make the distance between A and B about 75% of your height.

You are on the floor your head pointing to corner AD and your feet to corner BC. The shield will not resist the crushing wall C and D but is strong enough to break walls A and B from the force being applied by C and D. Once either A or B is breached, just crawl right out.

Intriguing. I hadn’t that in mind though. I suppose that if there’s an alternative answer, this one just might do.

Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 2nd, 2008, 11:51am
This is an addition to the riddle.


Mind you, when a particular program of this holodeck is activated, it can run no more than half an hour. Then it shuts down for some time before you can use holodeck again. Btw, the speed of the moving walls is very fast.


What happened to simpler times? :P
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by SMQ on Apr 2nd, 2008, 12:50pm
All right, I would like the walls to be 1.1 [hide]x 1012[/hide] meters apart -- a bit over [hide]60 light-minutes[/hide]. ;)

--SMQ
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by lopsidation on Apr 2nd, 2008, 1:06pm
[hideb]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_white_shark#Relationship_with_humans[/hideb]
Quotes:
[hideb]"Many attacks occur in waters with low visibility, or other situations in which the shark's senses are impaired." In an aquarium, the water would be very clear, reducing the chance of an attack. And: "the great white shark's 'role as a menace is exaggerated; more people are killed in the U.S. each year by dogs than have been killed by great white sharks in the last 100 years.'" See?[/hideb]
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by denis on Apr 2nd, 2008, 1:21pm

on 04/02/08 at 13:06:36, lopsidation wrote:
[hideb]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_white_shark#Relationship_with_humans[/hideb]
Quotes:
[hideb]"Many attacks occur in waters with low visibility, or other situations in which the shark's senses are impaired." In an aquarium, the water would be very clear, reducing the chance of an attack. And: "the great white shark's 'role as a menace is exaggerated; more people are killed in the U.S. each year by dogs than have been killed by great white sharks in the last 100 years.'" See?[/hideb]



While the danger of the Great White shark is often overstated, the Great White should not be taken for granted either.

From the same Wikipedia article:

"However some researchers have hypothesized that the reason the proportion of fatalities is low is not because sharks do not like human flesh, but because humans are often able to get out of the water after the shark's first bite. In the 1980s John McCosker noted that divers who dived solo and were attacked by great whites were generally at least partially consumed, while divers who followed the buddy system were normally pulled out of the water by their colleagues before the shark could finish its attack. Tricas and McCosker suggest that a standard attack modus operandi for great whites is to make an initial devastating attack on its prey, and then wait for the prey to weaken before going in to consume the wounded animal. A human's ability to get to land (or onto a boat) with the help of others is unusual for a great white's prey, and thus the attack is foiled. "

"Biologist Douglas Long writes that the great white shark's "role as a menace is exaggerated; more people are killed in the U.S. each year by dogs than have been killed by great white sharks in the last 100 years."[21] However, such comments should be taken in context; interaction between humans and canines takes place far more regularly and in greater numbers than it does between humans and sharks."
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 2nd, 2008, 2:42pm
This is all interesting but the answer I’m looking for is, perhaps, incredible.  ::)
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by lopsidation on Apr 2nd, 2008, 3:16pm
[hideb]"2nd option is on a simulated reality holodeck"
Because it's all simulated and hologram and the like, the hologram walls will pass right through you=survive![/hideb]
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by denis on Apr 2nd, 2008, 3:35pm
I choose the holodeck. In the middle of the simulation, utter the sentence: [hide]"Computer, end program"[/hide]
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 2nd, 2008, 4:47pm

on 04/02/08 at 15:16:29, lopsidation wrote:
[hideb]"2nd option is on a simulated reality holodeck"
Because it's all simulated and hologram and the like, the hologram walls will pass right through you=survive![/hideb]

But its safety measures were removed. I dunno much about holodecks though. Who does? Jabba altered it so this time it’s for real.  There are better riddles for sure.




on 04/02/08 at 15:35:29, denis wrote:
I choose the holodeck. In the middle of the simulation, utter the sentence: [hide]"Computer, end program"[/hide]

It’s not that simple.  
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Azgard on Apr 2nd, 2008, 8:45pm

on 04/02/08 at 11:06:35, Iceman wrote:
[hide].........no additional objects are allowed. So no doors or windows and such. Jabba is maybe dumb, but not that dumb. ;)[/hide]


[hide]Ah, but a doorway is not an additional object, it is a hole![/hide]
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by iono on Apr 2nd, 2008, 8:45pm
Make the room with a low cieling so you can destroy the camera, which short circuits the electricity in the holodeck?
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by JiNbOtAk on Apr 2nd, 2008, 11:22pm
I choose the aquarium. Knowing how stingy Jabba is, the shark is probably dead.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Grimbal on Apr 3rd, 2008, 12:51am
What if I am a great white shark myself, and the one in the aquarium is a sexy female great white shark?
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by gotit on Apr 3rd, 2008, 2:27am
Wear the shield and enter the aquarium. The shield is vulnerable only to the two walls and so the shark won't be able to break it. :P

OR

Simply, wear the shield and run away.  8)
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Grimbal on Apr 3rd, 2008, 4:44am
Just put Jabba in the holodeck and make it simulate yourself entering the holodeck and being crushed to death, pleading for forgiveness.  Leave Jabba in there forever.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by gotit on Apr 3rd, 2008, 5:05am
Jabba: So, what do you choose?

Me: Well, first I would like to see a demo of the holodeck before I make my decision.

Jabba agrees and puts one of his not-so-good goons in the holodeck with the shield around him. Soon the walls start moving, breaking the shield and crushing the man. But then Jabba realizes his mistake. The shield has been broken and thus the second option cannot be carried out. Jabba, being a man of princilple, leaves you.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Grimbal on Apr 3rd, 2008, 6:20am
The holodeck being only a simulation, what's the problem.  Just enter the thing, watch the simulation of yourself being crushed to death, and when it says "game over", just leave.
Uh, no.  Before leaving, ask him to lend you more money.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 3rd, 2008, 6:37am
........interesting ideas all. Well, some of them.




on 04/03/08 at 02:27:49, gotit wrote:
Wear the shield and enter the aquarium. The shield is vulnerable only to the two walls and so the shark won't be able to break it. :P

You cannot carry things out of the holodeck, but there’s something about it that might direct you on the track (of the intended answer).  
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 3rd, 2008, 6:43am
Btw, physical law is present, but not in its entirety, as Jabba's holodeck is less advanced. Oh well. :-[
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by gotit on Apr 3rd, 2008, 6:50am
Jabba's holodeck has low gravity and that is why he asks you to wear the shield, so that your feet remain on ground. So as the walls close up on you, you take off the shield and up you go. The walls collide with each other and you are saved.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 3rd, 2008, 8:35am
The gravity is the same and it’s an enclosed room, so no. Focus on the weird shield, as stated in the riddle. :-/
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 3rd, 2008, 12:27pm
Btw, remember when Voyager breaks almost every physical law out there in order to get them out of trouble? I think you should consider this here as well. Oh boy. There we go.  :-[  ;)
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by ezlonny on Apr 6th, 2008, 4:10pm
Jabba might be a great white loan shark and failing his swimming lessons
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Ghost Sniper on Apr 7th, 2008, 10:10am
Make the room [hide]a triangle. That way, no wall can close in.[/hide]
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Azgard on Apr 7th, 2008, 10:52am
Along the same lines as Ghost Sniper, [hide] any shape other than a square, rectangle, rhombus, or parallelogram should work, shouldn't it? With a trapezoid the sides that come together would leave gaps that could be escaped through, a polygon (or anything with an odd number of sides larger than 3) has the same predicament as no two sides are parallel, and anything with an even number of sides larger than 4 would leave gaps to be escaped through as sides close.[/hide]

Ghost Sniper, I think you got it! I'll be amazed if your answer is wrong!
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 7th, 2008, 12:12pm

on 04/07/08 at 10:10:30, Ghost Sniper wrote:
Make the room [hide]a triangle. That way, no wall can close in.[/hide]

This idea is better than the intended answer. In fact, I won’t mention it, because it’s pretty much embarrassing. ;)
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by iono on Apr 7th, 2008, 6:16pm
aw cmon. tell us.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Azgard on Apr 7th, 2008, 6:55pm

on 04/07/08 at 12:12:01, Iceman wrote:
This idea is better than the intended answer. In fact, I won’t mention it, because it’s pretty much embarrassing. ;)


Either tell us, or we continue to try and come up with your original answer, finding yet more alternatives to embarrass you further along the way....  :P
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by JiNbOtAk on Apr 7th, 2008, 8:16pm

on 04/07/08 at 10:10:30, Ghost Sniper wrote:
Make the room [hide]a triangle. That way, no wall can close in.[/hide]



on 04/07/08 at 12:12:01, Iceman wrote:
This idea is better than the intended answer. In fact, I won’t mention it, because it’s pretty much embarrassing. ;)


I'd be surprised if this is indeed Icey's intended answer. His twisted mind usually ignores mathematics and physics approaches.  ;D
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 8th, 2008, 10:04am

on 04/07/08 at 18:16:57, iono wrote:
aw cmon. tell us.

Nah. I have to preserve the reputation of a decent riddler.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Grimbal on Apr 8th, 2008, 2:54pm
I bet you didn't have any intended answer.  How embarrassing.
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 8th, 2008, 3:04pm
That’s not embarrassing. The intended answer is embarrassing. I know what you’re doing. You’re applying reverse psychology so that I spit the answer out. That’s smart, but it won’t work, buddy.  :P
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Grimbal on Apr 9th, 2008, 12:48am
See?  Now that you are framed you start using lousy excuses. :P
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Azgard on Apr 9th, 2008, 11:28am
Excuses are like armpits, Iceman, everyone's got 'em, and they all stink!

Except for mine, of course! Mine smell great!  ;)
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Ghost Sniper on Apr 10th, 2008, 10:14am
His intended answer may not necessarily be about the customizable room. My guess is that [hide]you are a white shark, and the shark in the tank is your cousin, so he won't eat you up.[/hide]
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by cheesepuff on Apr 18th, 2008, 8:55pm
[hide]Size it so the the right and left walls will come in faster so the top and bottom walls will come in and collide, crashing the system[/hide]

Also, for the hole in the wall idea:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2kajMH2u0
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 22nd, 2008, 12:11pm

on 04/18/08 at 20:55:07, cheesepuff wrote:
Also, for the hole in the wall idea:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2kajMH2u0

This link made me laugh!
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Azgard on Apr 22nd, 2008, 12:33pm
I have seen that before.... Have you ever seen the cup stacking game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q395-F6hAcg&NR=1
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Iceman on Apr 22nd, 2008, 12:38pm
......another good link.  :P
Title: Re: Jabba the Hutt
Post by Azgard on Apr 22nd, 2008, 12:49pm
Nothing to do with the first (or the riddle), but it makes you shake your head and wonder who came up with it...


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