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(Message started by: Iceman on Dec 22nd, 2007, 4:55am)
Title: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 22nd, 2007, 4:55am

John is a policeman armed only with the most basic bow and arrows, as it happens, up against seven corrupted men who used to be in Special Forces. This means that they are not only more trained than John on all terrains, but also armed with semiautomatic rifles with abundant ammo. The fight between them occurs in woods, and even though they were all in topnotch health, John kills them all, but not due to luck. Well, maybe some luck, after all, we are talking about specialists here. So how did he win then?
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by towr on Dec 22nd, 2007, 9:26am
He channels the spirit of Robin Hood?
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 22nd, 2007, 12:10pm
Nah. He ain't as good as Robin with the bow, and nobody is, yet he got all 7 of them.  ;)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by JiNbOtAk on Dec 24th, 2007, 3:41am
Seeing as you're off on a long holiday (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=what_am_i;action=display;num=1197959613;start=13#13), here's your to-answer list.

1) Did the men died from the arrow wounds ?
2) Was the arrow poisoned ?
3) Does the fact that it happened in the woods important; i.e. could the situation happened somewhere else ?
4) Did John had help ?
5) What the heck is policeman using bow and arrows for ?? ( Even if his last name is McClane )
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 24th, 2007, 4:44am

on 12/24/07 at 03:41:53, JiNbOtAk wrote:
Seeing as you're off on a long holiday (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=what_am_i;action=display;num=1197959613;start=13#13), here's your to-answer list.

I took laptop with me. What? ::)  :P



1.Sure.
2.No.
3.I'd say it is important, yes, but not very important, I think. :-/  
4.Someone else's help? No.
5.I don't have an answer to that. Then again, maybe he likes hunting deers too, and he stumbled on them? Or should I say they stumbled on him!  
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Dec 24th, 2007, 5:46am
Vietnam.

Someone should understand what I mean by this... hopefully...
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 24th, 2007, 7:47am

on 12/24/07 at 05:46:02, Ghost Sniper wrote:
Vietnam.

Someone should understand what I mean by this... hopefully...

Not me though. ???
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by thecow135 on Dec 24th, 2007, 9:42am
he set the arrow on fire! and shot at the woods!
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 24th, 2007, 10:32am
There was no fire.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Dec 24th, 2007, 4:18pm
Guerilla warfare.

the Vietnamese won even though the U.S. army had much more training and fighting skills than the Vietnam.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 25th, 2007, 5:02am
Nah. Fine explanation is needed, not vague answers.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Dec 25th, 2007, 7:21am
is this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Vietnam) a fine enough explanation for you?
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Dec 25th, 2007, 9:32am
John got Ebola fever.

Luckily, due to prior exposition to a more harmless variety of the virus, he is immune.

The enemies caught him, put him in prison, were coughed upon during the interrogation and died overnight.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 25th, 2007, 10:13am
All that I can infer from the above link is that United States lost because of real bad strategy likewise tactics. What kind of generals did you use? Beavis and Butthead? If I were US general back there in Vietnam, Special Forces and all, I would conquer North Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Okinawa, Japan, China, Great Britain and USSR.




on 12/25/07 at 09:32:58, Grimbal wrote:
John got Ebola fever.

Luckily, due to prior exposition to a more harmless variety of the virus, he is immune.

The enemies caught him, put him in prison, were coughed upon during the interrogation and died overnight.

Nice try. No prison though.





on 12/24/07 at 16:18:30, Ghost Sniper wrote:
Guerilla warfare.

Yes, Guerrilla warfare, yes; It is all coming back to me now. But I specified in the riddle that they are more trained than John on all terrains. Hm..
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by denis on Dec 25th, 2007, 1:25pm
All terrains? Hmmmm. What about if John wasn't on any terrain but climbed in one of the trees and well hidden by the branches? There are just too many trees in the woods to pick him out in his camouflage. From his hidden spot, his silent bows are enough to do the job.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 25th, 2007, 3:28pm
Not bad, but these are specialists, and the wound might give away his location, so they would realize that he is on the tree. Then again, maybe he did use the trees to his advantage, but there is more involved here.  ;)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by ima1trkpny on Dec 25th, 2007, 3:43pm
Hahaha... if they are Green Berets... just attack them when they are camping at night and retreat back into the woods. They will forget to let their eyes adjust to the darkness after sitting around the fire and it'll be only too easy.  ::) If it's SEALs on the otherhand, you'll have to try another plan. 8)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Dec 25th, 2007, 5:47pm
John is also known as "Predator" ?
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by denis on Dec 25th, 2007, 9:45pm
Was there snow in the woods? If yes, is it relevant?
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 26th, 2007, 2:47am
No. But one of you is kind of on the right track.  ;)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Dec 26th, 2007, 11:26am
Quicksand. All John had to do was sort of disguise the quicksand so the three doesn't see it, and lure them into the quicksand. Once the three goes in, they'll be too worried saving their own hides to pay attention to their teammates or John. The rest is history.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Dec 26th, 2007, 12:12pm
John is also known as "Eros".  You know, the little angel with a bow.  They all die of aids.

Errr... well, let's try something else.

In one Stargate episode, the opponents are protected by electronic shields that activate automatically when they detect a bullet.  The good guys first try to use more powerful weapons to get through the shield, but to no avail.  Eventually, they realize that an arrow is slow enough to avoid detection and doesn't trigger the shield.  They win the fight (quite unexpectedly, unless you already know another episode shows next week).
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 26th, 2007, 12:14pm
No quicksand and no Star Trek.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Dec 26th, 2007, 12:36pm
I don't think there was any Stargate in Star Trek...
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by SMQ on Dec 26th, 2007, 12:40pm

on 12/26/07 at 12:36:07, Grimbal wrote:
I don't think there was any Stargate in Star Trek...

Not as such, although the Guardian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_of_Forever) comes close... ;)

--SMQ
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by thecow135 on Dec 26th, 2007, 12:45pm
the enemy was praying (don't muslims pray every so often at certain times?) and he attacked them then.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Dec 26th, 2007, 12:54pm
Thanks for the reference (to SMQ about the Guardian of Forever).

Anyway, my logic was flawed.  I should have said: I don't think that every Stargate episode has to do with Star Trek.

And Iceman, in what could be a Freudian slip, didn't deny the Eros hypotheses.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 27th, 2007, 4:17am

on 12/26/07 at 12:45:01, thecow135 wrote:
the enemy was praying (don't muslims pray every so often at certain times?) and he attacked them then.

No.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by tiber13 on Dec 27th, 2007, 4:57pm
james Bond
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Dec 27th, 2007, 5:12pm
Armed with basic weapons, perhaps, but what about armor?
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 29th, 2007, 6:06am
.................[hide]perhaps now it is getting hotter[/hide]?  ;)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Dec 29th, 2007, 2:32pm
several possiblities:

John was covered from head-to-toe in bulletproof armor, making him nearly invincible against his adversaries.

John was hiding in a tank, with a very small opening for shooting his bow. Since he is a very accurate archer, and the opening is on the top of the tank and can be maneuvered 360 degrees, he shoots all of them down.

John's body was covered with nuclear explosives, that if shot at, will explode, killing anyone within a 1-mile radius, and delivering a lethal dose of radiation 100 miles downwind. Since this is a stealth mission, the assassins didn't want word of the assassination leaking out, and while they were pondering whether to kill John or not, John shot all of them.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Dec 30th, 2007, 4:32am

on 12/29/07 at 14:32:41, Ghost Sniper wrote:
several possiblities:

John was covered from head-to-toe in bulletproof armor, making him nearly invincible against his adversaries.

No armor though.




on 12/29/07 at 14:32:41, Ghost Sniper wrote:
John's body was covered with nuclear explosives, that if shot at, will explode, killing anyone within a 1-mile radius, and delivering a lethal dose of radiation 100 miles downwind. Since this is a stealth mission, the assassins didn't want word of the assassination leaking out, and while they were pondering whether to kill John or not, John shot all of them.

He was armed with bow and arrows only.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by tiber13 on Jan 2nd, 2008, 9:19am
deos it nly involve john, or deos the forest hve anythingto do with it?
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 2nd, 2008, 9:40am
Forest? It had something to do with it, but that is not the answer. Forget about forest.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Jan 2nd, 2008, 11:07am
It all happened under water.  You cannot fire a gun underwater, it would explode in your hand.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Jan 2nd, 2008, 11:51am

on 01/02/08 at 11:07:05, Grimbal wrote:
It all happened under water.  You cannot fire a gun underwater, it would explode in your hand.


A bow won't go that far either. With the greatly increased resistance, I would estimate that its lethal distance is about 5 feet.

Also, the gun wouldn't explode in your hand, it simply would not fire because the gunpowder would be too wet.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 2nd, 2008, 12:00pm
No rain.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Jan 2nd, 2008, 1:21pm

on 01/02/08 at 12:00:29, Iceman wrote:
No rain.


Forests have many rivers and lakes. There need not necessarily have been rain in the last few days for a river to be flowing and for a lake to exist.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by tiber13 on Jan 2nd, 2008, 2:04pm
john fires from behind an obstacle, using the arc of the arrows flight to his advantage, and the bullets cant go through a good obstcle, like solid damond( or rock)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 2nd, 2008, 2:14pm
No river, no lake, and no rock.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by JiNbOtAk on Jan 2nd, 2008, 8:14pm
John is Rambo.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by iono on Jan 2nd, 2008, 9:06pm
The bullets are blanks, like in die hard 2
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 3rd, 2008, 4:07am
No to both. Real bullets.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Jan 3rd, 2008, 4:49am

on 01/02/08 at 11:51:38, Ghost Sniper wrote:
Also, the gun wouldn't explode in your hand, it simply would not fire because the gunpowder would be too wet.

That was true in the 19th century.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 3rd, 2008, 7:42am

on 01/03/08 at 04:49:36, Grimbal wrote:
That was true in the 19th century.

Perhaps someone robbed the museum. :P
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by cheesepuff on Jan 4th, 2008, 8:27pm
[hide]avalanche[/hide] Pathfinder was an otherwise crappy movie
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 5th, 2008, 4:22am

on 01/04/08 at 20:27:07, cheesepuff wrote:
[hide]avalanche[/hide]

No.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 6th, 2008, 6:06am
Let's go, riddlers: what was his darn advantage? This riddle should be snack, I think.  :-/  :-*
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by denis on Jan 6th, 2008, 7:47am
It was night time. John had infrared goggles.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by tiber13 on Jan 6th, 2008, 10:39am
john has a bow and arrows

he uses the arrow to direct the people to a cliff.(arrows...)
--->
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Jan 6th, 2008, 2:28pm
John climbs in a tree and waits for the enemies to pass by.
Having arrows, he can shoot without being located.
Whenever one enemy shoots (noisily), he shoots an arrow to where the sound comes from.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by JiNbOtAk on Jan 6th, 2008, 7:03pm
John is immortal. ( He's a vampire, he's the highlander, he's dorian gray, take your pic )
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 8th, 2008, 4:23am

on 01/06/08 at 07:47:18, denis wrote:
It was night time. John had infrared goggles.

Yes.  8)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Jan 8th, 2008, 5:04am
Aah.  So the fact that he could shoot silently also has its importance.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by iono on Jan 10th, 2008, 8:20pm

on 12/22/07 at 04:55:38, Iceman wrote:
John is a policeman armed only with the most basic bow and arrows.


"ONLY basic bows and arrows." how does that include infared goggles? ???
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by SMQ on Jan 11th, 2008, 5:00am

on 01/10/08 at 20:20:08, iono wrote:
how does that include infared goggles? ???

I wouldn't call them armaments, merely aids.  They should certainly appear on his list of assets (along with the wheelbarrow and the holocaust cloak), but I wouldn't consider him "armed" with night-vision goggles.

--SMQ
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 12th, 2008, 12:42pm

on 01/11/08 at 05:00:41, SMQ wrote:
I wouldn't consider him "armed" with night-vision goggles.

You got that right.  ;) Iono, quit drinking pills for stupidity. I used to do that, and look where it got me! :P
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by tiber13 on Jan 14th, 2008, 11:25am
When i read the first post, it said john had one of the most basic items, bow and arrows.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by denis on Jan 14th, 2008, 1:30pm

on 01/14/08 at 11:25:14, tiber13 wrote:
When i read the first post, it said john had one of the most basic items, bow and arrows.


You read wrong.. Read again and notice the word 'armed'. Goggles are not part of an offensive weapons arsenal. It's just an accessory.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by shasta on Jan 18th, 2008, 6:06am
Honestly, it looks like people gave a bunch of answers to the riddle and you just picked one at random to be the right one. Why would "he had infrared goggles" be a better answer than "he had bulletproof armor"? If you're going to allow an answer that equips him with something to help him win, then...

1. It should pretty well guarantee he wins. 7 trained special forces guys with unlimited ammo would almost definitely not lose to a guy with a bow and arrows equipped with IR goggles even at night. Unlimited ammo means a lot of suppressive fire.

2. It should make sense within the context of the riddle. He only has a basic bow, but he has IR goggles?

3. The kinds of things one can equip him with should be spelled out in advance. Not doing that allows too many correct answers to the riddle and requires would-be-solvers to have the ability to read your mind to figure out which one you'd intended. For example, in this case not only could I within the context of the stated rules provide our hero with IR goggles, I could also choose to give him...

A. A suit of bullet-proof armor.
B. A radio to call out enemy positions to artillery.
C. The ingredients necessary to create IEDs.
D. A base hidden underground with arrow slits for firing at any position on the island.

...and an endless supply of other similar types of things, all of which to me seem to be as plausible by the conditions of the riddle as the IR goggles and actually make more sense. And that's without having to get into things like giving him super-powers.

Usually these kinds of problems are eliminated by more strictly defining the scope of the riddle and limiting the number of possible acceptable answers.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Jan 18th, 2008, 6:14am
He could have a single match.  And the wind blows from john towards the enemy.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by denis on Jan 18th, 2008, 10:39pm

on 01/18/08 at 06:06:37, shasta wrote:
Honestly, it looks like people gave a bunch of answers to the riddle and you just picked one at random to be the right one. Why would "he had infrared goggles" be a better answer than "he had bulletproof armor"? If you're going to allow an answer that equips him with something to help him win, then...


Welcome to the wonderful world of Iceman riddles.

If you browse his other riddles, you will notice he often leaves out essential details, those that we must find out for ourselves. At times, some mind reading is in order. And often, perfectly good scenarios that are proposed are outright rejected. But we have come to love and cherish these riddles, warts and all since they pose a different challenge altogether than the perfectly structured riddle that gives all the information required.

These are the Iceman riddles and often his solutions are outlandish but they are nonetheless fun to try to 'solve'.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Grimbal on Jan 19th, 2008, 3:15am
And we love to give alternate answers that we know are not the intended one.
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by ima1trkpny on Jan 19th, 2008, 9:10pm

on 01/19/08 at 03:15:11, Grimbal wrote:
And we love to give alternate answers that we know are not the intended one.


Like the tampon (http://www.snopes.com/military/tampon.asp) that saved the day  ::) (this was from SMQ in the Cassandra Riddle)
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Iceman on Jan 20th, 2008, 7:54am

on 01/18/08 at 22:39:26, denis wrote:
Welcome to the wonderful world of Iceman riddles.



Quote:
we have come to love and cherish these riddles

This is certainly a confidence boost. :-* How come I don't receive more compliments like these?? Dou you want to ruin my childhood, as I'm only 29 years old? Learn some manners from Ottawa, for it is good to say nice things, even if they're lies. Then again, maybe not. :-/  :P
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by Ghost Sniper on Jan 20th, 2008, 6:16pm

on 01/20/08 at 07:54:12, Iceman wrote:
Learn some manners from Ottawa, for it is good to say nice things, even if they're lies. Then again, maybe not. :-/  :P


Hey, watch it. Ottawa is awesome. It is where I consider myself to have grown up, even though I'm still only 15.  ;D
Title: Re: Die hard 5
Post by JiNbOtAk on Jan 20th, 2008, 10:11pm

on 01/18/08 at 22:39:26, denis wrote:
At times, some mind reading is in order.


An art which denis had mastered to near perfection.  ::)

Icey's riddles may require others to read his mind, but he had never ( seriously anyway ) turned down alternate answers. In fact, there are times when he admits the answers provided are better than his intended one. And his movie themed riddles are always fun to answer.


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