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(Message started by: gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:06am)
Title: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:06am
Jack breaks open the door of Sam's house.He sees Sam's body hanging from the ceiling fan of the living room.He immediately calls the police. Sergeant Peterson comes to the spot and has a good look at the house.He finds nothing unusual.Everything is in its proper place.There are no signs of struggle.All doors and windows are closed from inside.Peterson is sure that it is a clear case of suicide. But then, he sees something which makes him realize that Sam did not commit suicide. He was murdered!

What happened?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:17am
The knife in his back?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:21am
No.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:24am
Someone switched off the light when leaving?

Or the ceiling fan is turning so madly fast that it is impossible that he guy attached himself while it was on.  ;D
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by thecow135 on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:30am
there was no chair next to the fan so he couldn't have possibly gotten on without someone's help?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:33am
No to both.

Btw,I like Grimbal's idea of the light being switched off.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 3rd, 2007, 2:27pm
Is there a puddle of water anywhere nearby?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 2:33pm
No.Sam was not stabbed by a sharp ice slab. 8)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 3rd, 2007, 2:38pm
Bugger.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 2:42pm
Nothing like that.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 3rd, 2007, 2:55pm
If there were water on the floor, that would mean that someone tried to make it look like a classical hang-yourself-slowly-while-the-big-ice-block-melts suicide.  But a suicidal person wouldn't go to such length.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 3:53pm
True.But there was no puddle of water in the room.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:01pm
The chair or stool that is knocked over to give the impression it was suicide isn't tall enough to reach where his feet currently hang. Therefore, the stool (or whatever) wasn't how he got up there and he must have had assistence (though that is a kind way of putting it  :o )
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:18pm
This part is correct.Now for the second part.How did the murderer escape?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by hiyathere on Sep 4th, 2007, 11:25am
It is possible that the murderer was of very close relation to the victim and had a spare set of keys, so he/she could have just left and locked the doors.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 4th, 2007, 12:15pm
No. I said all doors and windows were locked from inside.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by denis on Sep 4th, 2007, 12:38pm
Was Jack the murderer? He "broke" the door to make it look liked it was locked from the inside.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 4th, 2007, 12:51pm
When Jack broke the door open it was really locked from inside. [hide]But what you think is right. So now, just think how it could be possible.[/hide]
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by denis on Sep 4th, 2007, 1:26pm
Ah, how about this: Jack locked the door from inside the house then he broke open the door from there.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 4th, 2007, 1:57pm
Good try.But I had something else in mind.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 4th, 2007, 6:25pm
The room has a lock on the door handle of the kind that you twist and then close the door after you and it stays locked from the inside? Often seen in house bathrooms, etc.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 4th, 2007, 7:29pm
No such complicated stuff. :)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 4th, 2007, 8:22pm

on 09/04/07 at 19:29:41, gotit wrote:
No such complicated stuff. :)

Complicated...? Since when is a simple door lock complicated...  :-/.... hmmmm... *puzzled* it would certainly do it easily...
Ok, how about, Jack had actually locked it from the outside keeping the key, and then he is the first one to "discover" the crime scene, in which he busts through a top panel of the door with the key concealed in hand. He then "discovers" the key on the inside, making it look as if it had been locked from the inside the whole time. (occured in "The Hollow Man")
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 12:57am
Good work again.But this is not what I had in my mind.

Btw, the lock is definitely simple but the solution is even simpler. That makes the lock more complicated
(relative to the solution). :)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 5th, 2007, 1:13am
Is it even locked? You said "closed from the inside" in the riddle...
hmmm... if there is indeed a lock... uses a pick?
(probably missing something painfully obvious... though it wouldn't suprise me considering my brain function at this time of night is bordering on zilch >.< )
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 1:46am
Yes.It is locked from inside.


on 09/05/07 at 01:13:37, ima1trkpny wrote:
(probably missing something painfully obvious... though it wouldn't suprise me considering my brain function at this time of night is bordering on zilch >.< )


Good night.Sweet dreams. :-* :P
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 5th, 2007, 1:48am
haha... I wish... >.<
What kind of lock is it? One of the ones that is part of the handle? A dead bolt? A padlock?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 1:59am
Whatever it is, it can be locked only from inside and cannot be handled in any way once you are outside.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 5th, 2007, 2:06am
Jack can disapperate!  ;D
Hmmmm... the only ones I know of that work like that are the kind with the little lock knob in the center of the doorknob (or somewhere on the knob) that you push the lock and then can close the door (either with or without going through it first).... but you already said that wasn't it... *goes to look up various types of common door locks*
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 2:22am
Hint for ima1trkpny: [hide] it has nothing to do with the lock.You see, i'm not an expert in locks either.[/hide] ;)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 5th, 2007, 2:25am
The door was broken into the wrong way? (i.e. from the inside-out?)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 2:36am
I think denis has already made that guess. Any ways, it is not the case.The door was broken from outside.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 5th, 2007, 3:15am
Jack removed the door frame from the wall.  He locked the door in the frame, put strong glue around the border and pulled the frame and the door in place.

Jack is the murderer and he broke the door open.  If the door was locked, anybody could have broken open the door.  So the door was unlocked.  And I'd say Jack broke the unlocked door and, while everybody was looking at the corpse, he locked the door from inside.

Peterson discovered that the door frame was not broken in all the places it should have, i.e. where the bolt should have been.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:30am
No.

Someone quiet rightly said that when our mind gets accutomed to think in complicated ways, even the simplest of things are overlooked.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:45am
Is very sophisticated to break open an unlocked door?

Maybe a simpler answer would have been that the murderer was hidden behind the door (i.e. between the open door and the wall).
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by denis on Sep 5th, 2007, 7:50am
-chimney?
-sunroof?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 1:04pm
No to both.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:30pm
The detective noticed the doggy door (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggie_door) was still swinging but there was no dog in sight.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 5th, 2007, 7:30pm
Two words : [hide]French windows[/hide]  ;D
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 6th, 2007, 9:30am
Again,no to both.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Eigenray on Sep 6th, 2007, 6:50pm
He [hide]locked the front door from the inside, went out the window, broke in through the front door, and then locked the window from the inside[/hide].
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 7th, 2007, 3:19am
Correct. Quite simple,isn't it?

Now for the third and last question..

As the police were examining Sam's body for marks of struggle, something happened. At the very next moment, Peterson's eyes fell on something. Both this incidents were enough for Peterson to doubt that Jack could be the murderer. After few days of investigation, Jack was arrested for the murder of Sam.

What happened and what did Peterson notice?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by denis on Sep 7th, 2007, 7:01am

on 09/07/07 at 03:19:32, gotit wrote:
At the very next moment, Peterson's eyes fell on something.
What happened and what did Peterson notice?


Peterson's glass eye popped out and fell on the note that was scribbled by the victim.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 7th, 2007, 7:10am
No. Poor Sam did not have a chance to write anything.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 7th, 2007, 7:33am

on 09/03/07 at 09:06:54, gotit wrote:
...  But then, he sees something which makes him realize that Sam did not commit suicide. He was murdered!

Was that answered?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 7th, 2007, 5:29pm

on 09/07/07 at 03:19:32, gotit wrote:
Both this incidents were enough for Peterson to doubt that Jack could be the murderer. After few days of investigation, Jack was arrested for the murder of Sam.


So, is Jack the murderer or not ? Peterson doubts Jack is the murderer, but Jack is arrested nevertheless.  ???
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 7th, 2007, 6:49pm
Yes. Jack is the murderer. Denis has already solved that. But what made Peterson doubt him?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 7th, 2007, 6:58pm

on 09/07/07 at 18:49:18, gotit wrote:
Yes. Jack is the murderer. Denis has already solved that. But what made Peterson doubt him?

Wait... I thought I proved he was murdered... :( *licks wounded pride*
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 7th, 2007, 7:37pm
True.You proved that he was murdered. But you never said that it was Jack who did it. The credit for identifying Jack goes to denis.

Btw, my reply was to JiNbOtAk's questions and not to Grimbal's. :)

Anyways, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by denis on Sep 7th, 2007, 9:14pm
Peterson saw footprints are on the chair that matches Jacks shoes?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 7th, 2007, 9:43pm
No. Jack had taken of his shoes before he climbed on the chair.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 8th, 2007, 5:51am
He had gloves in his pocket, claiming which he used to drive in. Or maybe it has someting to do with a mobile phone?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Iceman on Sep 8th, 2007, 6:09am
The killer was Santa Claus, so he used the chimney. 8)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 8th, 2007, 6:10am

on 09/08/07 at 06:09:06, Iceman wrote:
The killer was Santa Claus, so he used the chimney. 8)


That's the first time I've seen you answer a riddle. Are you coming out of your shell, just like Eigenray?

Lol, just occured to me now that the music I was listening to is of the MK theme. Suits Icey's gif.  8)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 8th, 2007, 10:28am

on 09/08/07 at 05:51:16, mikedagr8 wrote:
He had gloves in his pocket, claiming which he used to drive in. Or maybe it has someting to do with a mobile phone?


No. [hide]But the phone does have a role to play in the solution,although it is not very significant.[/hide]
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by hiyathere on Sep 10th, 2007, 10:36am
Hmm...

I'm guessing that Sam had an address book that had Jack's phone number in it under the "Friends" section.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 12th, 2007, 4:36am
Nope. No diaries.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Dawn Panic on Sep 23rd, 2007, 3:31am
Did Jack trip and fall down and then Peterson saw something like, a false leg?

Or, did Sam's body move and it was shown that he was still alive and thus, there was no murder at the time? However, a few days later, Sam died, so Jack was arrested for his murder...?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 25th, 2007, 6:46am
No.

Shall I give  a hint?
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 25th, 2007, 7:19am
Yes please  :)
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:07am
Hint: [hide]Peterson heard something.[/hide]
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:14am
The phone rang.  The answering machine started playing the message.  From what they heard, it appears that Sam was recording a new message when Jack came in and eventually killed Sam.  The whole thing was recorded on the tape.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:38am
Good guess. But I had something else in mind.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:47am
The phone rings.  The answering machine plays the message.  At the other end, it is Jack's wife.  She calls to warn Sam that Jack discovered everything and is now planning to kill him.

Peterson smiles.  He has the murderer and the motive.  The modus operandi he just read it somewhere on a forum.  He won't be home late tonight.
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by gotit on Sep 26th, 2007, 10:06am

on 09/26/07 at 09:47:27, Grimbal wrote:
The phone rings.  The answering machine plays the message.  At the other end, it is Jack's wife.  She calls to warn Sam that Jack discovered everything and is now planning to kill him.

Peterson smiles.  He has the murderer and the motive.  The modus operandi he just read it somewhere on a forum.  He won't be home late tonight.


[hide]I think you are being misguided by my statement that the phone has a role to play. But notice that I also mentioned that its role is not so significant.[/hide]
Title: Re: Suicide?
Post by iono on Oct 25th, 2007, 5:55pm
If Jack broke open the door, why is it locked from the inside?


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