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Title: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 27th, 2007, 1:46pm You enter a large labyrinth made out of stone. The legend says, that there is gold in its center. After several hours, you find the center of the labyrinth, and several crocks of gold there! Unfortunately, you also find the Minotaur, holding the biggest axe you have ever seen. He is standing right there, eyeballing you with blazing eyes, and smoke is coming from his nostrils. You are, clearly, no match for the Minotaur, but luckily for you, he opens his mug: 'There is no point to run away from me, earthling, as I am faster than you, plus I have an excellent sense of smell, and I know this labyrinth quite well. I like to feed on human flesh, but I also like riddles. So, I will say two riddles to you, and if you answer one riddle correctly, I will spare your life. If you answer two correctly, I will give you the crock of gold as well. And if you provide none correct answer, I will feast on your flesh.' a) You are at the beginning of a labyrinth, looking like quadrangle from the outside. So, you are facing the entry, and you know that you are facing either West or North. So when you get to the center of the labyrinth, is there a way for you to point one side of the World for sure, be it North, South, West or East? Mind you, you are not allowed to point the same direction again, nor use one side of the world more than once. b) You and a friend of yours are standing in front of a labyrinth, entirely made out of stone. All that you are allowed to have on you is your clothes and footwear, with which you mustn't part, as you are not allowed to leave it in the labyrinth. You may enter the labyrinth one at a time, whenever you're ready, and one time only. You are not allowed to say anything to your friend when you leave the labyrinth, nor when you are inside it. Still, is there a way for your friend to find the center in the fastest possible way? Mind you, you are not allowed to use your bodily fluids. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Aug 27th, 2007, 2:17pm Is the labyrinth outside (i.e. can you see the sun)? If yes, Icarus's answer to the riddle "for just a few dollars more" should work on 04/01/07 at 12:45:33, Icarus wrote:
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 27th, 2007, 2:20pm Damn it, took my answer for one of them. So close. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Aug 27th, 2007, 2:36pm b) I can propose a solution which requires the first person to drink lots of water (or preferably, coffee) before entering the labyrinth. On the other hand, he can make a small cut in his hand or arm before entering the labyrinth and marking the path with drops of blood. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 27th, 2007, 2:47pm on 08/27/07 at 14:36:57, denis wrote:
That is not allowed. If it were, then he could eat a lot of beans as well. As it happens, it is a pretty big labyrinth, so it probably wouldn't work if it were allowed. I am not looking for a gross answer here, or one that could cause a serious injury. Btw, there are no knives at their disposal. on 08/27/07 at 14:17:32, denis wrote:
Yes. on 08/27/07 at 14:17:32, denis wrote:
No sticks either. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 27th, 2007, 2:55pm Minotaur has just eaten Denis. ;DAre there more brave riddlers? ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by towr on Aug 27th, 2007, 3:13pm For b, you could use signing, or interpretive dance, to convey the layout of the labyrinth without actually saying a word. Or simply walk around in the labyrinth long enough to wear a trail into the stone ;) In all fairness though; yes and yes, satisfies the criteria of the riddles. Sure, it may send Grice spinning in his grave, but strictly speaking they are yes or no questions. How is besides the point :P |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 27th, 2007, 3:25pm Can I assume that once I find the center,I will come out of the labyrinth without loosing my way? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 27th, 2007, 3:41pm on 08/27/07 at 15:13:02, towr wrote:
No singing either. ;) on 08/27/07 at 15:13:02, towr wrote:
Trail into the stone? You're kidding, right? on 08/27/07 at 15:25:02, gotit wrote:
You're the one in the labyrinth, not me. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 27th, 2007, 6:06pm a) I'm lost in a maze/labyrinth of confused. But using denis's idea, I myself am the stick, and I mark it out. To mark it, he used a T-intersection. If done properly, no matter the angle it should work. b) Because my friend and I are really tall, and very good at jumping, we jump over to see where the middle is, say it out loud together, then work out a language such as morse-code to converse the quickest way through. Then confirm it when he comes out. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by TheNumberScott on Aug 27th, 2007, 6:59pm on 08/27/07 at 13:46:25, Iceman wrote:
Is this implying that if I get it wrong at first, I get to "guess" again, but I have to point a different way? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Aug 27th, 2007, 8:31pm Are we allowed to use our own shadows? If so, [hide]align yourself in the same way as you did when you knew you were facing either north or west. Guess north to be straight ahead of you. If you are wrong, west must be straight ahead so point to your left and guess south.[/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Aug 28th, 2007, 12:45am a) Point at any direction parallel to the walls. You point one side of the World for sure, be it North, South, West or East. You don't know which, but it is one of them. I don't see the point of "you are not allowed to point the same direction again". If you can point multiple times, just point once every damn direction of the compass. b) When you get out, leave pieces of gold at every intersection to mark the right path. You don't want to actually do it, but the question is "is there a way", and there is. Or, since "You are not allowed to say anything to your friend.", you can explain everything to your left big toe. When the friend is around, of course, and might accidentally overhear it. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 28th, 2007, 2:31pm on 08/27/07 at 20:31:43, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
Yes, I think so. 8)But my idea has nothing to do with your shadow, because you really don't need it, if you know what I mean.. on 08/28/07 at 00:45:52, Grimbal wrote:
on 08/27/07 at 18:06:32, mikedagr8 wrote:
No jumping and no Morse code. And no gold. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 28th, 2007, 3:45pm a) When i enter the labyrinth I assume that I am facing north.As I move in the labyrinth and take turns,I keep track of which direction I am moving. Without the loss of generality,let us suppose that when I reach the center,I am facing east (according to my assumption) and I tell the minotaur the same.If I am wrong,I will come to know that my assumption of facing north in the entrance was wrong and therefore at the entrance I was facing west.So now I am definitely facing north and my left is west.So I turn to my left and tell him that I am facing west. And alas!!! I'm saved. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Aug 28th, 2007, 4:14pm on 08/28/07 at 15:45:50, gotit wrote:
on 08/27/07 at 13:46:25, Iceman wrote:
After several hours in the labyrinth, it may prove difficult to keep track. I would just wait for the sun to set as the sun is visible according to Icey. Were is sets, it is approximetely West. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 28th, 2007, 4:34pm Well, this was the first solution that came to my mind.But later, I thought that if it were that simple, Icey wouldn't have asked the riddle. But may be I was wrong. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 28th, 2007, 5:31pm on 08/28/07 at 15:45:50, gotit wrote:
Yes. That might work. on 08/28/07 at 16:14:47, denis wrote:
It is difficult to keep track, yes, but it is possible if you discipline yourself, if you try harder. Sun could work too, I suppose, particularly if you have a wristwatch, and it is, what, noon? ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Aug 28th, 2007, 9:12pm on 08/28/07 at 17:31:29, Iceman wrote:
Not bad. I had something else in mind although I can't say it since I am eaten by the minotaur. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 28th, 2007, 9:47pm on 08/28/07 at 16:14:47, denis wrote:
What if the labyrinyh is in one of the poles and its summer out there.You might have to wait for six long months to get out of the labyrinth. Btw,winter is even worse!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Aug 28th, 2007, 9:57pm The minotaur would have problems living at the pole. (Not enough riddlers pass through for it to eat, not to mention the extreme cold). We do know from greek mythology that the site of the minotaur-labyrinth is located at Knossos on Crete at the coordinates 35°18N, 25°10E http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 29th, 2007, 1:29am on 08/28/07 at 21:57:41, denis wrote:
Do you think that Daedalus had kept the roof of the labyrinth open for the minotaur to see the sun? ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 29th, 2007, 1:35am Of course, otherwise he'd be as pale as an albino, have you ever seen a pure white bull in film or television? I haven't, if you find proof, it'd be helpful for an argument at school. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Aug 29th, 2007, 4:13am on 08/29/07 at 01:35:16, mikedagr8 wrote:
Either that or Deadelus may have been the first inventor of the retracable roof. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 29th, 2007, 7:10am So, 2nd riddle is still unsolved. Any ideas? ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Aug 29th, 2007, 7:24am a) What? the first riddle was solved? Where? Is it just watching the sun? b) I can think of a trick if you are a snail. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 29th, 2007, 9:14am on 08/29/07 at 07:24:46, Grimbal wrote:
WTF and gotit solved it. on 08/29/07 at 07:24:46, Grimbal wrote:
What's that? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Aug 29th, 2007, 10:17am For the second riddle, [hide]is pulling thread from your clothes considered parting with them, even if you're holding one end? A very simple way would be to unravel your shirt as you walk through and use the thread to trace your path. Then once you've reached the center, give the thread a tug to show your buddy you've made it. All he has to do is keep one hand on the thread and he'll make it very quickly.[/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 29th, 2007, 11:33am Forget the clothes. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Ajax on Aug 29th, 2007, 12:08pm About the 2nd riddle, [hide]I guess you could try to give out some clues to the other guy by the way you have rearranged your clothes, before exiting. However this means that you have already talked before your entrance to the maze[/hide]. Sorry, I just noticed the above message |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Aug 29th, 2007, 2:01pm on 08/29/07 at 09:14:57, Iceman wrote:
As a snail you leave a visible trace. If you are careful to not stepping (so to speak) on your own trace, it is possible to see where you had to backtrack. Of course, that makes me wonder whether we can assume there is a single right way. If there are plenty of paths, finding the shortest one might be a challenge in itself, let alone communicating that path to your friend. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 29th, 2007, 2:46pm on 08/29/07 at 14:01:09, Grimbal wrote:
Yes. One way alone. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by JiNbOtAk on Aug 29th, 2007, 5:18pm [hide]Hansel[/hide] & [hide]Gretel[/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 29th, 2007, 5:36pm I seemed to have solved it as well before them. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by JiNbOtAk on Aug 29th, 2007, 6:24pm on 08/29/07 at 17:36:14, mikedagr8 wrote:
Really ? Didn't notice any .. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by CowsRUs on Aug 29th, 2007, 6:45pm You can still communicate with sign language, right? :D |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 30th, 2007, 12:34am Quote:
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It seems as though I said that but got ignored... They are the same thing. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Aug 30th, 2007, 5:47am on 08/27/07 at 18:06:32, mikedagr8 wrote:
Probably because you said this afterwards. It seems like you meant something else. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 30th, 2007, 8:29am on 08/29/07 at 17:18:37, JiNbOtAk wrote:
What exactly do you mean? There are no pebbles, you know. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Aug 30th, 2007, 10:38am He leaves a few strands of his hair at each corner to tell his friend the direction he took |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 30th, 2007, 11:44am Nah. You are bald. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Aug 30th, 2007, 3:07pm Anyway, the question is: "Is there a way for your friend to find the center in the fastest possible way?" If there were no way to find the center in the fastest possible way, then the said "fastest possible way" wouldn't be possible after all, and the next best way would become the fastest possible way. So, there must be a way to find the center in the fastest possible way. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 30th, 2007, 3:17pm You leave trails of your body fluids. You get a blood nose on the outside, and you don't start trying to stop it flowing until you reach the outside. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 30th, 2007, 3:38pm on 08/30/07 at 15:17:36, mikedagr8 wrote:
I already said that is not the case here. on 08/30/07 at 15:07:07, Grimbal wrote:
How then? ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by ima1trkpny on Aug 30th, 2007, 9:50pm on 08/30/07 at 15:17:36, mikedagr8 wrote:
Ouch... an hour's long bloody nose... you would faint from bloodloss ::) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Aug 31st, 2007, 1:20am on 08/30/07 at 15:38:14, Iceman wrote:
I'll leave it to my friend. Whatever he comes up with must be the fastest possible way. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 31st, 2007, 3:52am Are me and my friend allowed to be inside the labyrinth at the same time? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Ajax on Aug 31st, 2007, 5:02am Make signs like arrows on the ground in critical spots by using body fluids :-X |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 31st, 2007, 5:48am on 08/31/07 at 03:52:12, gotit wrote:
No. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Aug 31st, 2007, 6:03am Is the friend in question a man's best friend? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 31st, 2007, 11:23am Nice try. Then again, how exactly would that help? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 31st, 2007, 11:59am A dog? Smell? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 31st, 2007, 12:45pm Smell what exactly? 1st you have to find the right way, right? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Aug 31st, 2007, 1:50pm May be I'll get something from the center of the labyrinth for the dog to smell. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Aug 31st, 2007, 2:54pm Nah. Remember my tricks from other riddles? Hm.. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 1st, 2007, 5:32am He can ahum... kick the Minotaur hard where, well, where it hurts most. Then leave the labyrinth (quickly, I would advise). The friends just needs to follow the howling. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 1st, 2007, 5:34am Hahaha, no, even better, you wear a red shirt, and do a rodeo parade (bull baiting) with the minotaur, making him aggressive, so he breaks through the walls to the outside, this way your friend just runs in and out in a straight line. Hopefully you can escape first... |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 1st, 2007, 7:44am There is no Minotaur in this labyrinth. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Archae on Sep 1st, 2007, 7:59am on 08/27/07 at 13:46:25, Iceman wrote:
Could you communicate with the friend in a non-verbal way (such as sign language/charades, writing in the dirt, etc.)? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 1st, 2007, 9:07am I'll take something that belongs to the dog e.g its collar strap,and keep it in the center of the labyrinth. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 1st, 2007, 3:08pm Then you don't need to solve the riddle. Just pick up the gold and go home smiling all the way. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 1st, 2007, 3:47pm on 09/01/07 at 15:08:53, Grimbal wrote:
As far as I understand the problem,the minotaur is not in the labyrinth that was mentioned in the riddle asked by the minotaur.I hope I'm clear... ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 2nd, 2007, 5:36am on 09/01/07 at 07:59:08, Archae wrote:
There is no dirt and they speak only English. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 2nd, 2007, 5:39am What is the floor made of? Also if it is a labyrinth made of mirrors, all you would need to do to get out is stick to left hand side of the entrance wall and follow your way around. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:06am on 09/02/07 at 05:39:15, mikedagr8 wrote:
Stone. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:10am on 08/27/07 at 13:46:25, Iceman wrote:
Can they talk together before the first one goes in (to set up a plan of action)? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:37am If so, what would be the plan? ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:43am on 09/02/07 at 06:37:04, Iceman wrote:
The first person that will enter says the following to the second one: "at each intersection there are three choices: Right turn, left turn, or go straight through Let's say: 1=right 2=left, 3=go straight through When I come back from the labyrinth, I will flash 1,2 or 3 fingers to you in sequence. Just remember the sequence and follow their directions to get to the center of the labyrinth." And yes, both friends have a good memory ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 2nd, 2007, 3:39pm Let's review the question. on 08/27/07 at 13:46:25, Iceman wrote:
For the friend to reach the center in the fastest possible way, he probably should enter first. Now if the time is counted only from the time the friends enters the labyrinth, you shouldn't leave the labyrinth but remain inside and lead him to the center. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:47am Nah. Btw, you are not allowed to use your bodily fluids. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by towr on Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:52am on 09/03/07 at 06:47:03, Iceman wrote:
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:54am No. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Ajax on Sep 3rd, 2007, 7:28am I choose as my friend to go after me the Minotaur. I cut a finger and I leave it in the center of the Maze. Then, my dear pal the Bull-Man enters and with the help of his nostrils, he finds the candy I left for him; the delicious finger. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 3rd, 2007, 8:56am Your friend is not a Minotaur. Is he? :P |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 3rd, 2007, 8:57am on 09/02/07 at 06:43:56, denis wrote:
Not bad, but I am not looking for that kind of an answer here, as it looks to me a bit complicated. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:07am Does the answer rely on some non-verbal communication, like a bee-dance, a drawing, or whatever code we can come up with? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 3rd, 2007, 9:54am Maybe. No bees though, or drawings. No code either. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Ajax on Sep 3rd, 2007, 2:07pm Then how about perform a dance, which will actually be the way to the center: Each step will mean which direction to choose in each crossroad. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 3rd, 2007, 2:25pm Nah. No dancers here. ::) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 4th, 2007, 8:09am So if I understand correctly, the first friend somehow imparts information to the second friend on how to reach the center. Is that correct? And he does it without using code, drawing, or dancing. If so, what we really need to find is what form of non-verbal communication he used, correct? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 4th, 2007, 9:52am on 09/04/07 at 08:09:59, denis wrote:
Yep. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 4th, 2007, 12:22pm How about the two friends are both deaf and used sign language? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 4th, 2007, 1:05pm No. No form of communication is allowed. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 4th, 2007, 1:09pm [hide]Is my friend a human being? [/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 4th, 2007, 1:10pm [hide]Is my friend a human being?[/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 4th, 2007, 1:31pm on 09/04/07 at 08:09:59, denis wrote:
on 09/04/07 at 09:52:32, Iceman wrote:
on 09/04/07 at 12:22:24, denis wrote:
on 09/04/07 at 13:05:07, Iceman wrote:
So what will it be Icey? Is there a form of non-verbal communication we have to figure? Or there is no form of communication... You can't have both. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 5th, 2007, 2:28am I also don't understand how to put together "the first friend imparts information to the second friend" and "No form of communication is allowed.". Would it mean you do something to the labyrinth that will help your friend find his way? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 5th, 2007, 5:46am on 09/05/07 at 02:28:35, Grimbal wrote:
Something like that. on 09/05/07 at 02:28:35, Grimbal wrote:
on 09/04/07 at 13:31:45, denis wrote:
Well, since some of my hints do more damage then good, I will restrain myself regarding these particular inquires. So take into consideration my hints, yes, but more importantly, think with your own head. To err is human, and good luck. on 09/04/07 at 13:10:53, gotit wrote:
Yes. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:24am To err is human. And to blame it on others is even more human!! |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:42am You still can choose your friend. Daedalus would be a good friend to have for that riddle. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 5th, 2007, 7:12pm Step 1 : Borrow Minotaur's huge a** axe. Step 2 : Chop off Minotaur's hands so he could not strangle you. Step 3 : Chop off Minotaur's legs so he could not run away. Step 4 : Walk out and leave Minotaur screaming in agony. Step 5 : No instructions needed for your friend. He would just need to follow the sound of the screaming Minotaur. Though you should give the axe to your friend, just in case. ;D |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 5th, 2007, 8:34pm Before the first guy enters the labyrinth he walks into a big puddle of mud so that his tracks are easy to follow. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 6th, 2007, 5:57am No Minotaur, and no mud either. And even if there were mud, the labyrinth is too big. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 6th, 2007, 6:01am Aha, I have it. Firstly, you walk around the entire labyrinth, with your friend. You work out the length each side. Then, with your excellent math skills (not like mine ::)) you work out the centre of the labyrinth. You enter and with the sun as your guide, you know that you have to keep going in a certain direction for a certain distance to find the centre. When you do, climb up onto a wall, and mark a giant shadow using the sun. This should point out the direction needed to go for your friend. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 6th, 2007, 6:09am on 09/06/07 at 06:01:53, mikedagr8 wrote:
No can do. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 6th, 2007, 6:14am Can I throw a rope made of my long hair over the wall then? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 6th, 2007, 7:15am No. And get a haircut. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 6th, 2007, 1:56pm [hide]Labyrinths usually have torch lights on its walls for people to see in the dark. As the first friend returns from the center he removes the torch lights from the walls and puts it on the floor. Now the second friend can easily find his way to the center by using the removed torch lights.[/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 6th, 2007, 2:08pm No torches. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 6th, 2007, 2:15pm Does the solution depend on whether its day or night? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 6th, 2007, 2:41pm Are there any other objects in the Labyrinth or is it "bare naked" rock only? Is there still a crock of gold in the center? Did he spread a trail using pieces of gold from the crock of gold when he returned from the center? Is the Minotaur's axe still there? Did he use it to mark the walls? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 6th, 2007, 2:43pm Are we missing something, that invlolves the use of our clothes? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Ajax on Sep 7th, 2007, 3:01am Ok then. The question was whether there is a way for my friend to go to the center in the fastest way. My answer is: [hide]________________No_____________ ;D [/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 7th, 2007, 5:41am on 09/06/07 at 14:15:25, gotit wrote:
Possibly. But yes, it is better if it is daytime. on 09/06/07 at 14:41:47, denis wrote:
Unimportant. on 09/06/07 at 14:41:47, denis wrote:
[hide]This is a good question..[/hide] ;) on 09/06/07 at 14:43:07, mikedagr8 wrote:
Not really. Hm.. on 09/07/07 at 03:01:36, Ajax wrote:
My answer is also no. :P |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 7th, 2007, 6:35am assuming there are other objects in the labyrinth, are they man made? naturally occuring? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Sep 7th, 2007, 7:16am Did the first friend remove something from its proper place e.g weeds that may grow on cracks of the walls? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 7th, 2007, 7:18am I won't comment yet. No weeds though. Try to solve this one w/o additional hints or clues. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 7th, 2007, 7:34am Maybe there are plenty of doors. You leave open the right doors. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 7th, 2007, 8:02am No doors either. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 7th, 2007, 8:48am on 08/27/07 at 13:46:25, Iceman wrote:
Ok it is probably made out of many stones (not just one). He creates a trail out of the stones that have become loose from the wall of stones. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 7th, 2007, 9:23am on 08/27/07 at 13:46:25, Iceman wrote:
You can have nothing on you, but under you, can you have one of these carts used to paint the line on the football field? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 7th, 2007, 5:31pm Mirrors !! Or torchlight if its night. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 8th, 2007, 6:26am No. on 09/07/07 at 09:23:31, Grimbal wrote:
You are allowed to have clothes and footwear on you. That is what I meant. :-[ ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Sep 8th, 2007, 9:52am Show the path by marking the walls with scratches you make using a loose rock. Arrows would work well and you could also drag it along the wall as you walk. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 8th, 2007, 1:27pm There are no loose rocks. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Sep 8th, 2007, 1:33pm What a well-built labyrinth. :P Work up a sweat, then take off your clothes and ring them out to make a trail. Are there any torches in this labyrinth or something similar? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 8th, 2007, 2:09pm Is this one of those mini labyrinth-games that you hold in your hand with the little metal ball that you direct by tilting the labyrinth in the appropriate manner? If yes, the second friend can look over the shoulder of the first one and see the quickest way to the center as he navigates the twists and turns. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 8th, 2007, 5:33pm on 09/08/07 at 14:09:57, denis wrote:
ROFL, good call. :D |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 9th, 2007, 10:20am The classical solution involves leaving a thread, for instance by undoing the pullover your gramma made for you last winter. It is a good idea anyway under the minoan sun. You are not supposed to leave your clothes in the labyrinth, but as long as you hold the end of the thread, you didn't leave it since you still hold it. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 9th, 2007, 10:22am No to all. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 9th, 2007, 10:28am Does the solution involve leaving marks in the labyrinth somehow? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 9th, 2007, 6:32pm on 09/08/07 at 06:26:47, Iceman wrote:
Is he wearing tap dancing shoes (i.e. with the metal soles and heals)? With those, he just needs to tap dance his way to the center and leaving nice trail of scratches on the stone floor. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 9th, 2007, 6:34pm OK we are into page 5 Icey. You gotta start answering Yes/No questions. Are there other objects in the labyrinth? If yes, are they man made? or naturally occuring? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by srn347 on Sep 9th, 2007, 7:00pm Perhaps an answer that involves not answering the minotaurs riddles! Perhaps asking him my own riddles, or using the gold to block his attacks knowing he wouldn't break his own gold in half. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 10th, 2007, 4:40am Now you are starting to ask fine questions. That is all I will say for now. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Ajax on Sep 18th, 2007, 11:57am I go with my identical twin brother. At my exit from the labyrinth, we full the guardian and I pretend being my brother, so I reenter, knowing already the shortest path... ;D |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by srn347 on Sep 19th, 2007, 10:46pm Survival for you. Now how about gold. I would try asking him some riddle instead, like what was the tallest mountain before mount everest was discovered[hide]mount everest was still the tallest even before it was discovered[/hide]. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 22nd, 2007, 12:13pm No winner yet. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by thecow135 on Sep 22nd, 2007, 6:02pm how do you know mount everest is the tallest mountain? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 22nd, 2007, 8:37pm on 09/22/07 at 18:02:53, thecow135 wrote:
It depends on what you compare it to. If it was compared against Mt Cook, well, we know that Everest is taller. If we compare it to say Olympus Mons, well then it's not. It simply depends on what it is compared to. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by srn347 on Sep 22nd, 2007, 10:03pm You compare it to all real mountains. Mount everest is the tallest. The point is, the riddle isn't to answer the minotaurs riddles, but to try something else(probably involving out smarting him). |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Dawn Panic on Sep 23rd, 2007, 3:21am Can body heat be used? Perhaps you'll rub along the wall of the maze (quickly). Then your friend can use his hand and feel where your body has touched... Hmm, this is sounding dirty. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 23rd, 2007, 8:20am on 09/23/07 at 03:21:58, Dawn Panic wrote:
No. on 09/22/07 at 18:02:53, thecow135 wrote:
The biggest mountain is in Alpha Centauri. It is called Mount Feverest. 8) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by srn347 on Sep 23rd, 2007, 4:59pm WHAT?! Anyway, that mount everest thing was just an example. Maybe the minotaur is the person I bring with me since he knows the labyrinth excellently. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 24th, 2007, 2:50pm Forget about the minotaur. He has nothing to do with it. Sorry thecow135. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Sep 24th, 2007, 3:02pm How can we forget about the Minotaur? on 08/27/07 at 14:55:08, Iceman wrote:
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by srn347 on Sep 24th, 2007, 7:22pm If the minotaur isn't involved, why mention him at all!?! |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 24th, 2007, 7:23pm on 09/24/07 at 19:22:00, srn347 wrote:
Well, when a labyrinth is mentioned in a fictional story, what do you suppose is related to the story? ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Ajax on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:34am on 09/24/07 at 19:23:25, mikedagr8 wrote:
Well instead there could be David Bowie and my friend could be Jennifer Connelly ::) I'd prefer that. By the way, does it have to do with a certain movie or book (e.g. Labyrinth from 1986) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 25th, 2007, 6:16am The second friend follows the trail of footprints left in the snow by the first friend. Or maybe to prevent his friend from going through the same dead ends he ended up going into, he can draw large arrows in the snow at the proper corners. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 25th, 2007, 8:06am on 09/25/07 at 06:16:39, denis wrote:
Yes! Time is important here, so just wait for the white Christmas. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 25th, 2007, 8:12am Stanley Kubrick's "The Shining" was what made me think about this one. Although in this movie, the kid made footprints in the snow in such a way to make the other one loose himself in the labyrinth. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 25th, 2007, 8:16am I saw this only 2 weeks ago, I should have known. :-X :'( Well done. denis strikes again. ::) ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Sep 25th, 2007, 11:12am Sure, congrats and all, but I am just a bit disappointed, because my nick should've gave it away, not The Shining. >:( ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Sep 25th, 2007, 8:00pm on 09/25/07 at 08:16:31, mikedagr8 wrote:
I saw it quite a while back when it first came out (over 25 years ago!!). But who can forget the great labyrinth scene at the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAa8U0ykkU |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by srn347 on Sep 25th, 2007, 8:01pm Bring myself and go through it twice. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 3rd, 2007, 11:14am The Minotaur saw how good riddlers here are at solving riddles, particularly Denis. He is often lonely, because of his cannibal reputation, so he tells two more riddles for two additional crocks of gold: c) What is the one way that guarantees that you will find the center for sure in a large labyrinth? d) You and your friend are in front of the entrance of a small but complex labyrinth made out of stone. It is currently empty except for the Minotaur statue in the center, because Minotaur is on a 9 months vacation, and he has hidden all his crocks of gold somewhere. You may enter the labyrinth one at a time, whenever you're ready, and one time only. Curiously enough, the labyrinth has the roof, so there are lights on a 3 meters high ceiling. And the very second you enter, the door will close behind you, in a Star Trek way, and it will stay closed until you touch the above statue. You are not allowed to communicate with your friend when you leave the labyrinth, but still, is there a way for your friend to find the center in the fastest possible way? Mind you, Minotaur, who likes his labyrinth clean, will return in summer, because he thinks that summer vacation is for wimps. So if he finds anything new in the labyrinth, anything at all, he will hunt both of you down and eat you, for you cannot hide from him. Here are the rest of the rules: 1. You are not allowed to use your bodily fluids. 2. When your friend enters there mustn't be any liquids inside. 3. Your friend shouldn't take anything out of the labyrinth. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by JiNbOtAk on Oct 3rd, 2007, 5:55pm c) Blast my way through with a missile launcher !! :P Actually, I think the method is to always take the right path, only when it's unavailable, you go left. d) Use a non-permanent marker to mark the walls of the direction to the minatour's statue. When my friend walks in, all he needs to do is follow the arrows, wiping them off as he went along. No harm, no foul. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Oct 4th, 2007, 2:15am Quote:
Shotgun denis! 8) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 4th, 2007, 6:12am on 10/03/07 at 17:55:43, JiNbOtAk wrote:
Good idea, even though I never used this marker, so I hadn't that in mind. Your solution is elegant, it makes sense, but I think it is too basic, inappropriate for this particular riddle. I can accept your answer as an alternative one, so try to figure out the intended answer! ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Oct 4th, 2007, 6:32am [hide]For d) bring in some ice cubes and leave a trail for your friend to follow. Since the Minotaur returns in the summer, it is probably in the beginning of winter or late fall so the cubes will not melt right away. When your friend enters the labyrinth, there are no liquids there, so rule #2 is respected. When summer rolls around, the cubes will melt and then evaporate before the Minotaur returns. So your friend need not remove anything thus allowing him to proceed more quickly to the center. An alternative would be to leave a trail of dry ice, since this would not melt but is converted to gas via sublimation. [/hide] |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by JiNbOtAk on Oct 4th, 2007, 8:29pm on 10/04/07 at 06:12:46, Iceman wrote:
Well, you could also use a pencil, and just rub it off as you go along. Or maybe you've never used pencil before as well ? ( which would explain denis's answer ) on 10/04/07 at 06:12:46, Iceman wrote:
Now we know how Icey is on ritalin. :P |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Oct 5th, 2007, 4:47am Switch off the lights along the path to the center. Your friend will switch them back on. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 6th, 2007, 10:55am on 10/04/07 at 20:29:12, JiNbOtAk wrote:
Perhaps you got a point, even though pencil is designed for paper only, but is it the fastest way, when compared to ice cubes? Nitpicking? Whatever. on 10/05/07 at 04:47:44, gotit wrote:
There are no switches. on 10/04/07 at 06:32:35, denis wrote:
........and the crock of gold goes to Denis! Although, I had glass of water in mind, but I suppose ice cubes are even better. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 6th, 2007, 11:30am Btw, how about a personal question Denis? How come you almost never hide your answers, particularly the correct ones? Is it because they are not worthy to hide, or it has nothing to do with that, it is just your style? It doesn't bother me though, I'm just curious. Whatever. ::) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Oct 6th, 2007, 11:44am Hey Icey, I just saw your pic in the "Who's who" thread. Now I know what the man behind all the riddles looks like. Sorry about the hiding... I just fixed it. I just didn't think it was the intended answer this time around. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Oct 6th, 2007, 1:51pm Congrats to Denis for the crock of gold. Btw, I visited the "who's who" thread but I could not find Icey's pic there. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by towr on Oct 6th, 2007, 2:07pm on 10/06/07 at 13:51:14, gotit wrote:
(He had to make a new account after a bug in the forum screwed up the old one) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Oct 6th, 2007, 2:21pm Here's a riddle for Denis: What do you think Icey is trying to do with the cat? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Sameer on Oct 6th, 2007, 2:28pm on 10/06/07 at 14:07:45, towr wrote:
Haha reminds me.. this nick Iceman is actually linked to another account of his (because of account problems around that time): Plumberry ;D http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_whathappened;action=viewprofile;username=plumberry |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Oct 6th, 2007, 2:39pm on 10/06/07 at 14:21:44, gotit wrote:
No idea... Looks like he's about to test a new recipe. :o |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by gotit on Oct 6th, 2007, 2:49pm I think Icey is going to punish the cat as it is not able to learn how to solve riddles!! 8) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 6th, 2007, 3:44pm I didn't eat the cat. :P on 10/06/07 at 11:44:28, denis wrote:
Btw, I don't quite look like that any more. The picture was taken several years ago. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by mikedagr8 on Oct 6th, 2007, 5:13pm Hooray, denis and I got it correct. :P |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by JiNbOtAk on Oct 8th, 2007, 5:25pm on 10/06/07 at 14:28:52, Sameer wrote:
Plumberry ?? Are you kidding me Icey ? Maybe I should start calling you Plumey.. ;D |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 10th, 2007, 5:32am Regarding 3rd riddle, I remember someone already said the answer for it in some other topic a few months ago. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Oct 10th, 2007, 11:27am Get hold of the blueprints. |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 11th, 2007, 4:02am Nope. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 15th, 2007, 10:22am Come one, riddlers, the answer is a quite simple one. I heard it a couple of times myself before. Unless someone already suggested it in this topic but I missed it somehow? :-[ |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by denis on Oct 15th, 2007, 11:32am how about [hide]dig a tunnel[/hide]? |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 15th, 2007, 1:42pm No [hide]tunnels[/hide]. But this answer might direct you on the right track regarding some other riddle of mine still unsolved. ;) |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Grimbal on Oct 15th, 2007, 1:51pm on 10/10/07 at 05:32:52, Iceman wrote:
Nothing? Time? Infinity? Coffin? Poison? Aggry? 3 weighings? "What would the other say if I asked him which way goes to heaven?" |
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Title: Re: Minotaur's riddles Post by Iceman on Oct 17th, 2007, 9:34am How about a crock of gold instead? ;D |
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