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(Message started by: Iceman on Aug 5^th, 2007, 10:02am)

Title: Coffee
Post by Iceman on Aug 5^th, 2007, 10:02am

Tommy doesn't get arrested thanks to coffee. What happened?

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by towr on Aug 5^th, 2007, 10:06am

It would have been a criminal offense to fall asleep?

Or he gets arrested thanks to something else?

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by denis on Aug 5^th, 2007, 11:48am

Tommy smuggled contraband in his carry-on during an international flight. The contraband was hidden inside coffee tins (with the coffee still in there). The sniffer dogs at the airport customs did not flag his luggage on account of the coffee odor masking the contraband scent.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by Iceman on Aug 5^th, 2007, 1:09pm

...........and Denis wins again!

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by Iceman on Aug 5^th, 2007, 1:10pm

Btw, it was cocain. ::)

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by towr on Aug 5^th, 2007, 1:32pm

I somehow doubt cocaine would be masked by the smell of coffee.
I don't think that in general sniffer dogs have a problem with other smells masking what they are trained to find.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by Iceman on Aug 5^th, 2007, 1:40pm

As you said, you think, but you are not entirely sure. So, is someone here 100% sure? I tell you one thing: I saw it in a movie once. Cocaine was in a bigger box or something, and on top of it was a lot of coffee. So what do you have to say about yourself now? :-/

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by towr on Aug 5^th, 2007, 2:06pm

on 08/05/07 at 13:40:44, Iceman wrote:

I have little faith that movies would be more accurate in this aspect of reality than they are in physics, and for the latter I can offer: http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/

The sad truth is that in general things in movies happen solely as they do because it advances the story, or looks nice on the screen; and not because it's in any way logical, or touches on reality.

Admittedly this doesn't exclude the remote possibility they accidentally got something right for once though. ::)

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 5^th, 2007, 3:03pm

Cocaine is not covered up by coffee. I went to a dogshow, they played it ( i mean performed by showing a virtual scenario of this) showing that the dogs can smell it (cocaine) out over coffee.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by denis on Aug 5^th, 2007, 5:34pm

True, movies often get it wrong.

But in this case cocaine can be masked from dogs under certain circumstances. It would depend on how well sealed the cocaine is, what type of sniffer dogs are used, ratio of coffee to cocaine etc... Its not 100% success or failure mind you but you are definitely going to get some through.

More Police departments use special sensors to detect cocaine and other contraband because it can be masked under certain conditions from sniffer dogs

http://www.gatech.edu/news-room/release.php?id=209

"Plus, scientists still don’t know exactly what chemicals the dogs are sensing, allowing for significant variations from one dog to the next. Dogs also have trouble detecting specific drug targets in the presence of other odors, such as coffee grounds. Unfortunately, the illicit drug traffickers are aware of this and invariably mask their product with different chemicals to evade authorities"

http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=1404

"Our sensor can detect cocaine no matter what they have cut it with: powdered sugar, flour, or the coffee that is sometimes used to mask the smell from dogs."

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 5^th, 2007, 11:25pm

All very true, but when sniffer dogs are used, they genrally take multiple dogs, especially where this scenario is placed. In the demonstration i saw, they only used a labrador.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by JiNbOtAk on Aug 6^th, 2007, 1:33am

on 08/05/07 at 17:34:02, denis wrote:

"Plus, scientists still don’t know exactly what chemicals the dogs are sensing, allowing for significant variations from one dog to the next. Dogs also have trouble detecting specific drug targets in the presence of other odors, such as coffee grounds. "

Ahh, that explains the cases where the sniffer dogs went beserk and started humping someone's legs.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 6^th, 2007, 1:36am

Good call JiNbOtAk, thats hilarious, you should see a show called "The Chasers War On Everything". THey actually go to an airport with meat stuffed in their pants and their clothes, the dogs reactions are good, the coppers are better.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by sxiz on Aug 9^th, 2007, 7:05am

I love the Chasers. Could you mask it with gasoline? I think you can smuggle pot like that, but I'm not sure.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by denis on Aug 22^nd, 2007, 10:45am

Better hide your pirated DVDs in coffee when going to Malaysia.

Incredible but true:

"Malaysia awards medals to pirated-DVD sniffing dogs"

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6203411.html?tag=nl.e550

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by JiNbOtAk on Aug 22^nd, 2007, 6:26pm

Of course, any dog could sniff out crack, but it takes a really exceptional Sniffmeister to sniff out pirated DVDs. :P

Seriously, though, I'm not aware of that news until you posted it denis.

And the piracy problem have got to be curbed, it's getting crazier by the day. A console game ( PS, X-box, Wii ) are selling at RM10 for 3 piece. That's about RM 3.30 per piece, which works out to less than a dollar a DVD. Which also explain why we're superb gamers, we buy them by the truckload. ;D

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 22^nd, 2007, 6:54pm

Hahaha, that's what is so good about Asia. Not the best economy, but they make up for that, and so everyone else gets a win/win.