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(Message started by: Iceman on Jul 17^th, 2007, 7:39am)

Title: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 17^th, 2007, 7:39am

Dave and Hall were playing a $1000 poker game. And even though the cards were regular, unmarked and all, Dave knew that Hall was bluffing, and so he won. How he knew?

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Jul 17^th, 2007, 7:43am

I assume Hall is at least a somewhat decent poker player, ruling out a lack of a poker face.

[hide]A mirror, perhaps[/hide]?

Title: Re: Poker
Post by SMQ on Jul 17^th, 2007, 7:51am

What kind of poker are they playing? If it's a version with some cards shown (stud, hold 'em, etc.) Dave could be holding a card Hall would need to complete his hand (a straight, for instance) and so know Hall was bluffing.

More generically, if Dave is an experienced player and Hall is not, there are a lot of "tells" Dave could have picked up on. Inexperienced poker players typically try to represent the opposite of what they're holding -- they try to make a good hand look week (seem reluctant to bet, bet too small, etc.) and a weak hand look strong (bet too quickly and too much, etc.). They also will often sit forward (tense) for a weak hand and lean back (relax) for a strong hand. So if Hall is sitting forward, betting without hesitation, and betting too much for the size of the pot, there's a very good chance he's bluffing.

:)

--SMQ

Title: Re: Poker
Post by denis on Jul 17^th, 2007, 8:07am

[hide]Hall was wearing glasses which reflect the image of the cards back to Dave when he held his cards at a proper angle.[/hide]

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 17^th, 2007, 9:02am

All rubbish ;D excepting denis' answer. But he wasn't wearing glasses, and they were alone.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Sameer on Jul 17^th, 2007, 10:30am

Because Hall was betting as if he had the only winning hand which Dave actually had?

Title: Re: Poker
Post by denis on Jul 17^th, 2007, 10:53am

could Dave somehow see Hall's cards?

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 17^th, 2007, 12:11pm

Not really.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by denis on Jul 17^th, 2007, 5:26pm

What if Dave was holding the highest hand possible in poker? (I'm not sure what that is but I think its a Royal Flush).

Title: Re: Poker
Post by JiNbOtAk on Jul 17^th, 2007, 6:02pm

on 07/17/07 at 17:26:34, denis wrote:

What if Dave was holding the highest hand possible in poker? (I'm not sure what that is but I think its a Royal Flush).

Yep, the spade suit Royal Flush.

Of course, Icey, when you say Dave knows Hall is bluffing, does that mean he has nothing, trying to pass it off as something, or is it merely Dave knows he had the higher hand ?

Or maybe Hall gave out all 5 cards, requesting new 5 ones.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 17^th, 2007, 7:57pm

No winner yet, and it means what it means.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 17^th, 2007, 8:41pm

they are playing Indian poker?

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 17^th, 2007, 9:03pm

Nope.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 17^th, 2007, 9:08pm

Are they playing 5 card stud (or some other form where there is no community cards)? or are they playing something like Texas Hold'em where there are community cards? Is Dave the dealer?

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Sameer on Jul 17^th, 2007, 10:05pm

Does it matter what form of poker they are playing? and if Yes, can you tell us which or would that give away the answer?

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 18^th, 2007, 7:33am

on 07/17/07 at 21:08:41, ima1trkpny wrote:

Is Dave the dealer?

[hide]Yes.[/hide] ;)

Title: Re: Poker
Post by SMQ on Jul 18^th, 2007, 7:40am

Did Dave cheat in some way?

--SMQ

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 18^th, 2007, 7:45am

Do I really have to say it? >:(

Title: Re: Poker
Post by FiBsTeR on Jul 18^th, 2007, 8:26am

Wait, when you say "he won," are you referring to Dave? To my knowledge, the dealer doesn't play in poker (unlike blackjack).

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Sameer on Jul 18^th, 2007, 9:07am

on 07/18/07 at 08:26:38, FiBsTeR wrote:

Wait, when you say "he won," are you referring to Dave? To my knowledge, the dealer doesn't play in poker (unlike blackjack).

Yea sure he can play if you are just playing amongst friends!! Do you hire dealers when friends are playing in poker? You use a "dealer button" to indicate who is the dealer and you actually deal and you pass it around!!

Anyways, Iceman are you implying Dave is cheating and hence he knows Hall is bluffing because then he will always know what he has and Hall has.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 18^th, 2007, 10:29am

on 07/18/07 at 09:07:52, Sameer wrote:

Iceman are you implying Dave is cheating and hence he knows Hall is bluffing because then he will always know what he has and Hall has.

Yes.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Iceman on Jul 18^th, 2007, 10:33am

Would you like to share your victory with ima1trkpny, or vice versa, and SMQ?::) I think that might be fair. But let it be more of a lesson: instead of snap guesses, try to provide all relevant details, unless you like to guess like that. ;)

Title: Re: Poker
Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 18^th, 2007, 11:25am

The surface of the table is shiny so Dave deals the cards cleverly (not looking at the bottom of the card but he angles it just slightly enough that he can see the reflection on the table top). Or if they have community cards he could be card counting (though that technically isn't illegal as long as you are doing it in your head ;D ).

Title: Re: Poker
Post by FiBsTeR on Jul 18^th, 2007, 2:18pm

on 07/18/07 at 09:07:52, Sameer wrote:

Do you hire dealers when friends are playing in poker? You use a "dealer button" to indicate who is the dealer and you actually deal and you pass it around!!

When me and my friends play poker, we don't play $1000 poker games. ::)

EDIT: And to answer your question, no we don't hire dealers, but the dealer does not play, (s)he sits out that round.

Title: Re: Poker
Post by Grimbal on Jul 18^th, 2007, 3:34pm

on 07/17/07 at 07:39:51, Iceman wrote:

Dave and Hall were playing a $1000 poker game. And even though the cards were regular, unmarked and all, Dave knew that Hall was bluffing, and so he won. How he knew?

Well, along another line, Hall bluffed by pretending that he knows how to play poker. But when they started playing, it became obvious he hadn't the slightest clue.