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(Message started by: Iceman on Jun 29^th, 2007, 1:02pm)

Title: Race
Post by Iceman on Jun 29^th, 2007, 1:02pm

Two friends are chitchatting in a bar, the jockey and the riddler. The riddler, as per usual, proposes a riddle of his where the winner gets $50: 'There is you and another jockey right behind you, both riding on horses of equal size, and there is nothing unusual about it. You don't know anything else about him and you never saw his horse before, but how can you be sure that he will not outrun you on this horse?' Note that the jockey has one try at it.

Title: Re: Race
Post by denis on Jun 29^th, 2007, 1:31pm

One possibility is that the jockey/horse in front just lapped the horse/jockey that is behind him. Since the second jockey/horse is trailing by a full lap, you can be shure they will not outrun the jockey/horse in front of them.

Title: Re: Race
Post by Iceman on Jun 29^th, 2007, 2:53pm

I had something else in mind.

Title: Re: Race
Post by Archae on Jun 29^th, 2007, 3:38pm

Both jockeys could be on the same horse... unless that does qualify as unusual.

Title: Re: Race
Post by denis on Jun 29^th, 2007, 6:09pm

They are not in a race but in a procession (e.g. funeral) or a parade

Title: Re: Race
Post by Iceman on Jun 30^th, 2007, 6:05am

on 06/29/07 at 15:38:02, Archae wrote:

Both jockeys could be on the same horse... unless that does qualify as unusual.

Nice try.

on 06/29/07 at 18:09:59, denis wrote:

They are not in a race but in a procession (e.g. funeral) or a parade

I like this answer, but I had something else in mind, because he must be 100% sure.

Title: Re: Race
Post by Archae on Jun 30^th, 2007, 6:36am

[hide]The jockey can propose to switch horses. That way, he cannot be outrun by the horse he is riding.[/hide]

Title: Re: Race
Post by Iceman on Jun 30^th, 2007, 7:29am

Sounds good. 8)Not the intended answer though.

Title: Re: Race
Post by Three Hands on Jun 30^th, 2007, 7:59am

[hide]Shoot/otherwise kill the horse. Dead horses don't run[/hide]:p

Naturally, I doubt this is the answer you are looking for...

Title: Re: Race
Post by Iceman on Jun 30^th, 2007, 8:00am

No damaging either.

Title: Re: Race
Post by denis on Jun 30^th, 2007, 8:21am

Suppose the first horse is crossing or just crossed the finish line. It wins the race no matter what and so cannot be outrun by the second horse.

or

Perhaps it is a chariot race, each chariot pulled by two horses. One horse is front of the other, and they attached to each other and the chariot. So the second horse will always remain behind the first horse.

Title: Re: Race
Post by Iceman on Jun 30^th, 2007, 8:28am

No chariots either.

Title: Re: Race
Post by denis on Jun 30^th, 2007, 10:55am

they are [hide]on a merry-go-round or carousel[/hide]

Title: Re: Race
Post by Archae on Jun 30^th, 2007, 10:55am

The jockey should choose to stop the race/running immediately. As stated, the other jockey is behind him, so if the jockey given the riddle chooses to stop immediately, there is no feasible way that he could be outrun by the other horse.

Title: Re: Race
Post by Iceman on Jun 30^th, 2007, 11:02am

on 06/30/07 at 10:55:01, denis wrote:

they are [hide]on a merry-go-round or carousel[/hide]

Yep.

It seems that Denis knows my tricks. All right! 8)

Title: Re: Race
Post by denis on Jun 30^th, 2007, 11:08am

Yeah, its like I said in a previous post, we seem to think alike...

Title: Re: Race
Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 30^th, 2007, 3:30pm

If you were actually using real horses this would be simple, if you give the other horse some water right before the race it is 100% sure to lose as they can't run nearly as fast with a bunch of water in their belly. Another common track trick is to stuff a sponge up the nostril of the rival horse, thus cutting off his air enough to kill it but enough to prevent it from running well.

Title: Re: Race
Post by denis on Jun 30^th, 2007, 3:39pm

on 06/30/07 at 08:00:37, Iceman wrote:

No damaging either.

I took this meaning not to cause injury or to tamper with the other horse in order to fix the result of the race.

Title: Re: Race
Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 30^th, 2007, 3:50pm

He didn't say that... but that is why the answer is a carousel. You could also have some dirty riding with jockeys pushing each other off, running the others into the rail, etc.

Title: Re: Race
Post by denis on Jun 30^th, 2007, 3:56pm

yes but dirty riding is not 100% certain that you will come out ahead. It will increase your chances though. But you could cause your own horse to crash as well.

Title: Re: Race
Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 30^th, 2007, 4:04pm

Another way to do it that the other jockey could do very little about without risking a catastrophe for his own horse is to grab on and let his horse drag yours around a most of the way and then your horse will be fresh at the end while the other is very tired from dragging so much excess weight.