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(Message started by: Iceman on Jun 4th, 2007, 3:55pm)
Title: Signature
Post by Iceman on Jun 4th, 2007, 3:55pm

The detective Rain is investigating a case, and he is currently in the hospital, going over some files. He is trying to find something, anything that could incriminate doctor Kelly Robinson, who works in this hospital for 21 years now. So he finds a document dating 20 years ago, which has her signature. And right then he knew he has her, even though the signature looked just like her handwriting. She made a mistake. What was it?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Icarus on Jun 4th, 2007, 4:59pm
She shouldn't have hired that one-armed man.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 4th, 2007, 9:08pm
She wrote her own name instead of the one she intended to forge by accident.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by denis on Jun 4th, 2007, 9:48pm
Paper records aren't ususally kept for 20 years. There would be no room to store all patients records for that length of time. They are usually digitised after 5 or 10 years. So this file was "back dated" by the doctor, who didn't think about record retention policies at the hospital.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Grimbal on Jun 5th, 2007, 3:14am
[hide]At that time, she still was a man, under the name George Robinson.

OK, I know, there is another explanation.[/hide]
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Iceman on Jun 5th, 2007, 6:29am

on 06/04/07 at 21:08:17, ima1trkpny wrote:
She wrote her own name instead of the one she intended to forge by accident.

If she wanted to forge someone else's name, I think she would try not to write it in her own handwriting. Not bad, but not the answer I want.





on 06/04/07 at 21:48:42, denis wrote:
Paper records aren't ususally kept for 20 years.

They are in this hospital.



on 06/05/07 at 03:14:01, Grimbal wrote:
[hide]At that time, she still was a man, under the name George Robinson.

She wasn't male before.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by denis on Jun 5th, 2007, 9:04am
The Hospital changed name less than 20 years ago. But the letterhead on the document uses the current Hospital's name.  This leads to Rain's conclusion that the document is forged.

Title: Re: Signature
Post by Iceman on Jun 5th, 2007, 9:07am
Not what I had in mind.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Sameer on Jun 5th, 2007, 9:09am
or the document that was "supposed 20 years old" had things on it that wasn't invented until much later?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Grimbal on Jun 5th, 2007, 9:50am

on 06/05/07 at 03:14:01, Grimbal wrote:
[hide]At that time, she still was a man, under the name George Robinson.

OK, I know, there is another explanation.[/hide]

What I was hinting at is:
[hide]20 years ago, she wasn't married.  Her name wasn't Robinson.
Or maybe she wasn't a doctor yet, but the signature says Dr.
[/hide]
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Iceman on Jun 12th, 2007, 6:55am

on 06/05/07 at 09:09:16, Sameer wrote:
or the document that was "supposed 20 years old" had things on it that wasn't invented until much later?

Yes. So what was it?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Grimbal on Jun 12th, 2007, 8:36am

on 06/12/07 at 06:55:17, Iceman wrote:
Yes. So what was it?

An e-mail address?  The URL of a web site?  A cell-phone number?  A fax number?  A Google ad?  A reference to Viagra?  A picture of pikachu?  Pokemon?  An USB key with MRI scans?  A reference to AIDS?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Sameer on Jun 12th, 2007, 10:02am

on 06/12/07 at 06:55:17, Iceman wrote:
Yes. So what was it?


Letterhead?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by denis on Jun 12th, 2007, 12:01pm
The document was printed from a color laser printer.  
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Iceman on Jun 12th, 2007, 12:27pm
Just focus on the signature. So what was it?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Sameer on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:04pm
She signed it "dr. kelly robinson" while she was only a resident 20 years ago?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by denis on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:21pm
Sameer: My understanding is that Residents are fully-trained medical doctors who are completing their specialty training. At least this is the case in Canada and US.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:43pm
She signed on a HIPPA form to make it look like a patient had waived their rights to something?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Iceman on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:47pm
No.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:50pm
feel like giving clues Icey? or just yes/no questions?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by denis on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:57pm
It was rubber stamped but she only started to use a rubber stamp a few years ago.

http://www.signaturemachine.com/
Title: Re: Signature
Post by JiNbOtAk on Jun 12th, 2007, 6:11pm
Like Geena Davis used in that series where she became the first women president. But, isn't the signature produced by the machine nearly as authentic as the original one ?

Maybe it's the type of pen that she used ? Or the fact that the ink did not fade ?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Sameer on Jun 12th, 2007, 9:43pm

on 06/12/07 at 13:21:56, denis wrote:
Sameer: My understanding is that Residents are fully-trained medical doctors who are completing their specialty training. At least this is the case in Canada and US.


Its true anywhere i think... i think they are do called "doctors" ... just not given permission to practice I think... ah well.. back to drawing board..
Title: Re: Signature
Post by BNC on Jun 12th, 2007, 10:59pm
Was the signature color-scanned, then printed?
Title: Re: Signature
Post by JohanC on Jun 13th, 2007, 2:33am
Peoples signatures change bit by bit over the years. The fine motor skills of a 40 year old aren't the same as when she was 20.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Grimbal on Jun 13th, 2007, 2:57am
I thought of [hide] a ballpoint pen, but it was sold already in the 1940's.  Maybe the detective story is set in the 50's? [/hide]

Or [hide] she married in the meantime and changed her name [/hide].

Or [hide] For added security, she used lip-based biometric identification (i.e. she kissed the paper).  But the shade of her lipstick was not the one she used 20 years ago.  [/hide].
Title: Re: Signature
Post by Iceman on Jun 13th, 2007, 5:50am

on 06/13/07 at 02:57:06, Grimbal wrote:
I thought of [hide] a ballpoint pen, but it was sold already in the 1940's.  [/hide]

Yes. [hide]Ballpoint was invented[/hide] later.
Title: Re: Signature
Post by gotit on Aug 17th, 2007, 4:46pm
may be she used a kind of pen that was not invented 20 years back.


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