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(Message started by: Iceman on May 9th, 2007, 7:00am)
Title: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 9th, 2007, 7:00am
In this duel, there is Tommy with a gun and three of his unarmed foes. In any possible realization, what is the maximum damage Tommy can do to them by using the gun once?








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I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 9th, 2007, 7:06am
Oh and he hasn't got a Magnum, rather a small pistol. You know, the one female agents carry in their stocking.  ;)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Archae on May 9th, 2007, 7:23am
Any possible realization?  Well, he could shoot out something that is supporting a giant boulder or the like, crushing the three foes when it falls (or any other similar situation, usually chronicled in cartoons and in Hollywood); or a similar case with water being held back by glass that drowns the foes after Tommy breaks open the glass...
Or we could have a magic bullet case: Tommy hits all three with one (acrobatic) bullet.
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Grimbal on May 9th, 2007, 7:24am
Is there gasoline on the floor?
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Three Hands on May 9th, 2007, 7:25am
[hide]Well, if he's taking on 3 small insects, then allowing them to congregate within a close proximity of each other, and then crushing them beneath the gun would probably count as maximal damage. Either that or proving to be a marksman by hitting the self-destruct button for the large facility the duel is taking place in with one shot. He may even have time to escape the inferno as well...[/hide]

These are not the answers you are looking for.  (probably)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 9th, 2007, 7:49am

This time, if I haven't mentioned it, it has no role in the riddle. So, they are outdoors, and they are not bugs. And yes, this is a bad riddle. ;)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by denis on May 9th, 2007, 8:12am
Remember the film Eraser? In a scene near the end they were in the city Zoological gardens. With one gunshot, Arnold Swartzeneger manages to eliminate all his foes. It was a little exagerated in the usual hollywood style. But the solution here was:

[hide]he shoots the glass on the aquarium releasing the Nile Crododiles (which hadn't eaten in three days).Of course in the movie, the crocs run strait at their prey at lightning speed which was a little over the top[/hide]
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 9th, 2007, 9:14am
I said no other objects, so no aquarium, or anything else for that matter.  ;)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Archae on May 9th, 2007, 10:14am
[hide] He could shoot one of his foes, and the other two could die from shock, fearing that he shot them [/hide]
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by denis on May 9th, 2007, 10:28am
[hide]force the three to fist fight under threat that you will shoot the looser or the one who will not fight. Then to inflight the maximum damage, you go back on your word and you shoot the one that has been less injured by the fighting [/hide]
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 9th, 2007, 10:37am
Nah. They are cold-blooded. Nice try Denis.  ;)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 9th, 2007, 6:51pm
Super penetrating bullet ?
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Uncle Crimbo on May 9th, 2007, 8:27pm
This may be a little exaggerated but.. [hide]Well if you shot and it penetrated some vital place, bounced off a tree, hit another person in a vital place, and finally hit the third in the heart they could die from bleeding to death.  :D[/hide]
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Grimbal on May 10th, 2007, 12:52am
Tommy shoots in the air.  The police arrives within minutes and arrest the 3 foes who by the way were convicted murderers.  There are executed the next morning.

or

Tommy is a little girl.  She shoots herself in the leg and starts shouting hysterically for help.  When a crowd has gathered, she claims they did it and they tried to rape her.  Within an hour they are all lynched.  Unfortunately, she bleeds to death.

or

Tommy is not alone.  He is with his gang of which he is the head.  The 3 armed foes are unarmed because they are prisoners.  After they failed to give any good reason to be spared, Tommy makes a gesture with his gun across his neck meaning "kill them".
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 10th, 2007, 6:54am
It is an ordinary bullet, no bouncing, and Grimbal is also mistaken.  
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 10th, 2007, 6:28pm
He shot the first guy dead centre on his head, killing him instantaneously. He then proceed to pummel the other two guys with his crowbar.

He did use his gun only once..
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Grimbal on May 11th, 2007, 2:36am
Are the 3 foes old people with cardiac problems?
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by ima1trkpny on May 13th, 2007, 12:11pm
[hide]line them all up in a straight line and then shoot through them all?[/hide]
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 13th, 2007, 12:21pm
Ridddlers, I am practicing my right to apply suspense regarding unsolved riddles of mine, except for the quiz. So I will respond in about............... three days.  ;)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by william11141 on May 13th, 2007, 3:06pm
why the heck are the 3 foes unarmed??! ???
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 13th, 2007, 3:49pm
They should've armed themselves, but they didn't see it coming.  ;)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Sameer on May 14th, 2007, 12:49pm
Tommy points the gun and asks them to fight out and kill each other and he would let the last one that sruvives to go free.... and of course Tommy does not keep his word....  ::)
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Grimbal on May 15th, 2007, 12:59am
I just wonder.

The riddle says "Duel".  That means there are 2 people involved.  That means the 3 foes must be siamese triplets.  A single wound could bleed them all to death.
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Grimbal on May 15th, 2007, 1:00am
As an alternative to the solution above, the 3 foes are a mother and her 2 unborn twins.
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Sameer on May 15th, 2007, 4:25pm
Should you word it as "4 way duel"? i think duel is generically used ...
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Grimbal on May 16th, 2007, 2:24am
All definitions I got from google say it is between 2 people.  After all, duel is from the Latin word duo = two.  But I would say "4-way duel" clearly enough means: like a duel but with 4 people.
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by denis on May 16th, 2007, 6:32am
How about contracting "four way duel" to "fuel"
(works even better when the scenario consists of igniting gasoline on the floor with the single bullet).
Title: Re: Duel 2
Post by Iceman on May 16th, 2007, 7:50am

on 05/14/07 at 12:49:08, Sameer wrote:
Tommy points the gun and asks them to fight out and kill each other and he would let the last one that sruvives to go free.... and of course Tommy does not keep his word....  ::)

Not a bad idea, but they don't listen to Tommy when it comes to killing themselves. But maybe they listen to him when it comes to something somewhat less sinister..  ;)





on 05/15/07 at 00:59:18, Grimbal wrote:
The riddle says "Duel".  That means there are 2 people involved.  That means the 3 foes must be siamese triplets.  A single wound could bleed them all to death.



on 05/15/07 at 01:00:01, Grimbal wrote:
As an alternative to the solution above, the 3 foes are a mother and her 2 unborn twins.

I accepted both of the above :o Grimbal's neat answers! Heh, they screen my idea from light, but the official answer is not bad, in which there are four guys w/o relation.. ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 16th, 2007, 8:07am
.....and they are young, in topnotch health. Focus on the damage the above gun could do.  ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by SMQ on May 16th, 2007, 8:14am

on 05/16/07 at 08:07:37, Iceman wrote:
Focus on the damage the above gun could do.  ;)

Is it a Tommy gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_gun)? ;D

--SMQ
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 16th, 2007, 8:42am
Nope.   :P
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by denis on May 16th, 2007, 11:15am
-Tie the three unarmed men at the bottom of a mountain that has lots of snow accumulated.
-Shoot the gun once to create an avalanche.
-Run like hell.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 16th, 2007, 11:27am

Not bad, but avalanche has no role in this riddle since I haven't mentioned it. Like I said, this riddle is straightforward, so if some object is not mentioned in the riddle, then it is not important. ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Grimbal on May 16th, 2007, 1:50pm
Tommy shows them his gun.  He passes it around.  Let them try to load it, unload it.

Then he takes it back carefully to avoid leaving fingerprints and brings the gun to the police.

He forgot to mention to them that the night before he killed the old mother of the state's senator (yes, that one) with that same gun.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 16th, 2007, 2:19pm

Clever approach, but not the answer I am looking for. No need to avoid the actual damage the gun can make when fired once. So focus on that one shot, because in it is the answer. ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by ima1trkpny on May 16th, 2007, 9:34pm
:(... i loved denis' answer LOL... sounds like fun! good riddle Iceman... I will work on it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 17th, 2007, 7:00am
What if there is no tomorrow? Get on it.  :P
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Sameer on May 17th, 2007, 9:42am
haha i have a crazy western movie plot... tommy ties a noose around neck of a person and passes it over a branch and ties the other end of noose to another person's neck... then he asks the third one to hold these two on his shoulders .... and then cooly kills him... thus getting the other two to strangle on each other's weights...  ;D
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 17th, 2007, 9:58am
I like this crazy idea, but I said no other objects.  
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by ima1trkpny on May 17th, 2007, 3:03pm
how powerful is this gun? cause with a decent gun you should be able to [hide]line them up shoot straight through all of them if you hit no bones (so an abdominal area)[/hide] otherwise i dont see how you could kill more than one... but i will keep working on it when i have spare time.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 17th, 2007, 3:55pm
Killing certainly is optimal, but this pistol's small bullet cannot penetrate so that it hits another one.   ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by ima1trkpny on May 17th, 2007, 6:49pm
LOL... what good is a gun like that?!? Its basically a bbgun! hm.... :( no real firepower kinda takes the fun out of it... gun probably doesn't even have a kick to it. Is this gun even powerful enough to cause damage more than a flesh wound? If not the most he could do is [hide]shoot one to incapacitate him and then if he is lucky hit the other two over the head with the gun butt.[/hide]
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 18th, 2007, 10:30am
It is not allowed to use the butt, just to fire once, and as they say in France, that is it.  
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by denis on May 18th, 2007, 12:37pm
Have one of the foes face the gun and put the other two foes such that their ear is right next to the gun, one on the left and the other on the right. When you fire the gun, the bullet hits the foe facing the gun and the noise from the discharge will damage the hearing of the other two and maybe get some discharge powder residue in their eyes as a bonus.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 18th, 2007, 12:56pm

on 05/18/07 at 12:37:39, denis wrote:
Have one of the foes face the gun and put the other two foes such that their ear is right next to the gun, one on the left and the other on the right. When you fire the gun, the bullet hits the foe facing the gun and the noise from the discharge will damage the hearing of the other two.

You got it.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 18th, 2007, 5:33pm
Duh..  :-/

Btw, congrats denis !   ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Sameer on May 19th, 2007, 12:13am
so the assumption was the two foes who get hearing jolts are stupid to get close enough to tommy and his gun and not snatch the gun away from him?  ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 19th, 2007, 12:30am
Hence the "Duh"..
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 19th, 2007, 12:36am
Maybe they are acidheads.  :-*
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by denis on May 19th, 2007, 8:48am

on 05/19/07 at 00:13:27, Sameer wrote:
so the assumption was the two foes who get hearing jolts are stupid to get close enough to tommy and his gun and not snatch the gun away from him?  ;)


You could always blindfold the two who are about to get the hearing jolt and tie them up (but Ice said no other objects).


on 05/17/07 at 15:55:20, Iceman wrote:
Killing certainly is optimal, but this pistol's small bullet cannot penetrate so that it hits another one.   ;)


From the quote above, the point of the riddle was that the bullet could not go through one person to another one so it left very few options.

Also you could not use the butt of the gun, just one shot.

Ice did say it was a "bad riddle".... A crucial clue.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by thecow135 on May 20th, 2007, 12:47pm
well... if lee harvey oswald culd shoot jfk and the governor of texas in a total of seven places using a "normal bullet" 3 people shuldnt be that hard
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Grimbal on May 20th, 2007, 1:54pm
I come to wonder whether Iceman actually had an answer to this riddle.  I can't believe 2 people independently thought of such a bizarre solution.  It looks more like Iceman just created a situation, waited to see what crazy ideas we could come up with and finished by saying "you got it".  Or maybe the solution was something along that line, but still more bizarre, and he preferred to give this as a solution.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by denis on May 20th, 2007, 2:05pm
Bizarre is right. But remember he did specify along the way that :

1. Small caliber gun so that the bullet could not go through more than one person

2. Can't use the butt of the gun to hit some of the foes.

3. Only one shot

4. No other objects (so my avalanche theory was shot down as well as another member's idea that the two foes hang after the supporting foe is shot dead). Both of these were good solution if it were'nt for the "no other object rule".

So it seemed to me he had a very specific scenario in mind. The 4 conditions left very few other options as far as causing damage to the two who are not hit by the bullet.

Personnaly, I prefered the hanging scenario and the avalanche scenario better than the hearing damage one. But, Its Ice's riddle. Often times, alternate solution can be better than intended one.

btw: I myself have hearing damage (not caused by guns mind you) so I may have had an edge on this one.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 21st, 2007, 12:51am

on 05/20/07 at 14:05:47, denis wrote:
btw: I myself have hearing damage (not caused by guns mind you) so I may have had an edge on this one.


Eh ? Come again ?  :P
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Sameer on May 21st, 2007, 9:47am

on 05/19/07 at 08:48:37, denis wrote:
Ice did say it was a "bad riddle".... A crucial clue.


Yea but we have the highest regards for Ice and even consider his "bad riddles" with great respect and high esteem ;)
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by ima1trkpny on May 21st, 2007, 5:44pm
I accept that my solution was incorrect for Ice's intended answer, but from experience (everyone is alright and it was soooo not my fault nor did i have anything to do with starting/carrying out/testing of idea) even the lowest caliber bullets (such as .22)have the power to go through multiple people if they are close and it goes through soft tissue areas without hitting bones. If a vital organ such as the numerous one in your lower abdominal cavity are struck, you can be saved by going to the hospital immediately, but if you don't get help quick you will have a very painful death.  :-/
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Iceman on May 22nd, 2007, 8:03am
Not bad, but I think that the above bullet couldn't hurt three people like that. So even then the intended answer returns to the riddle, as 3rd guy's ear is damaged.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by Grimbal on May 22nd, 2007, 9:18am
You could probably damage the jugular veins without going through too much meat.  Provided they collaborate and place themselves nicely.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by denis on May 23rd, 2007, 4:06pm

on 05/21/07 at 17:44:18, ima1trkpny wrote:
even the lowest caliber bullets (such as .22)have the power to go through multiple people if they are close and it goes through soft tissue areas without hitting bones. If a vital organ such as the numerous one in your lower abdominal cavity are struck, you can be saved by going to the hospital immediately, but if you don't get help quick you will have a very painful death.  :-/


Granted, a caliber 22 may be able  to go through more than one person through soft tissue but the riddle stipulated that the gun used could not. There are may guns with lower than 22 caliber.

Check out http://www.swissminigun.com/ammunition.html
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by denis on May 23rd, 2007, 4:13pm

on 05/22/07 at 09:18:41, Grimbal wrote:
You could probably damage the jugular veins without going through too much meat.  Provided they collaborate and place themselves nicely.


Yes, theoretically, but it would hard to line up three different jugular veins in one straight line even with cooperation. Alternatively, assuming that the foes cooperate nicely, another organ is much easier to line up together and causes much more pain to be hit by a bullet than the jugular - although not necessarily fatal in this case. (hint: the organ is spelled just like my nick except for the first letter). Of course, I assume all foes are of one gender.
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 23rd, 2007, 6:28pm

on 05/23/07 at 16:13:15, denis wrote:
Another organ is much easier to line up together and causes much more pain to be hit by a bullet than the jugular - although not necessarily fatal in this case. (hint: the organ is spelled just like my nick except for the first letter). Of course, I assume all foes are of one gender.


Hehe..
Title: Re: Shootout
Post by logix128 on May 28th, 2007, 7:22pm
instead of hearing loss, i would prefer that one of them gets a dose of hot brass barrelling down his throat!


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