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(Message started by: alien on Aug 15^th, 2006, 7:19am)

Title: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 15^th, 2006, 7:19am

John decides to kill Tom for reasons that are unimportant for this riddle. He knew that Tom never locks his doors, so he just slips inside at night, using gloves. He sneaks to Tom's back, and hits him with an iron bar he later disposes of by throwing it in the river together with gloves. Note that this happened on a bridge close by, and police or anybody else didn't see him getting rid of the evidence. He then takes Tom's clothes of, makes bath and puts unconscious Tom in it to make it look like he slipped, knocked his head and then drowned. But Tom gets to his senses, and tries to get some air, but John, who is stronger, firmly holds his head under the water, until Tom stops struggling. John then leaves the house. He thought he got away with it, but it was rather soon, that is, about 15 minutes later John got arrested, and sentenced for this, even though there were no witnesses, nor were there recording devices involved. So what got John arrested?

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by SMQ on Aug 15^th, 2006, 8:12am

Well, if Tom managed to keep his wits about him during his brief period of consciousness, he could have [hide]stopped struggling and held his breath to fool John into believing him dead, carefully and quietly taken a breath once John left the room, then phoned the police once he was sure John had left.[/hide]

--SMQ

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 15^th, 2006, 8:49am

You got it SMQ. :) And here is a bonus riddle, just to use up the space for not so hard riddles.. ;) :-[ :P

Saturday night fever

John and mark are relaxing, sipping beverage in a pub. John asks Mark to lend him his car for upcoming Saturday night. Mark says: 'If you can guess what word I have in mind, I will give you the keys to the car. It is a usual everyday word, as I certainly don't want to make it harder for you, my dear amigo...' 'Of course not, buddy...' - replies John. So can John get keys to Mark's car or not? ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by BNC on Aug 15^th, 2006, 9:09am

[hide]I'd say that the work Mark had in mind is in... but I may be off track...[/hide] :-/

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 15^th, 2006, 9:36am

This is an interesting approach, :o but the way riddle is worded, I think disallows it as a plausible answer. Not the intended answer. 8)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Roy on Aug 15^th, 2006, 3:27pm

Unless John can read his mind, i don't think he can get the keys to his car, to answer the first question.

To answer the intended question of 'what word was it?', i would say [hide]that i've got no idea[/hide] ;D ;D ;D :P

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Roy on Aug 15^th, 2006, 3:30pm

How about [hide]saturday night fever[/hide]? if not, why is it the title

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 15^th, 2006, 4:34pm

on 08/15/06 at 15:27:04, Roy wrote:

Unless John can read his mind, i don't think he can get the keys to his car, to answer the first question.

I disagree. ;) :o

The title is of no importance. It is like titles of Classic peaces for piano - pretty much meaningless. Just to separate one peace from another. ;D

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by cchris on Aug 15^th, 2006, 5:22pm

I'm gonna have to say [hide]no.[/hide] As in, the word he's thinking of is [hide]"no."[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 15^th, 2006, 5:55pm

So what does that mean?

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by cchris on Aug 16^th, 2006, 1:04am

Well since that would make Mark's initial answer [hide]no[/hide], he'd have to uphold his end of the bet, and by answering the question, John [hide]would get the keys, despite his initial reaction.[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 16^th, 2006, 2:23am

This is nice approach, quite similar to the alternative answer, actually. [hide]But I have doubts about it, since Mark would think of that word after Johns answer, and not before. If you can think of a way that includes thinking about it before, that would be a better answer. Would it not? Have to think about this some more though.. Now you got me puzzled.[/hide] ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 16^th, 2006, 5:39am

I think I get now what is wrong with your suggestion, cchris. You say, that would make Mark's initial answer 'no', but there is no guarantee Mark will reply like that. Maybe he would say nope, or not even close. See? 8)

And remember my tricks from before? Why should this riddle be any different! Think tricks. Think alien tricks.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Weazel on Aug 16^th, 2006, 2:46pm

[hide]please[/hide]?

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Bamaboys on Aug 16^th, 2006, 3:39pm

[hideb] Yes, he gets the car. The word was " buddy". Mark said " If you can guess what word I have in mind, I will give you the keys to the car. It is a usual everyday word, as I certainly don't want to make it harder for you, my dear amigo" the key word there being amigo, which translates into english as friend, which is another word for buddy. [/hideb]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 17^th, 2006, 1:37am

Interesting approach, but why would [hide]amigo[/hide] be the winner? Perhaps Mark has another word in mind? Maybe you can shed light on this, because your answer sure reminds me of the alternative answer.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Roy on Aug 17^th, 2006, 1:43am

[hide]friend?[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 17^th, 2006, 1:53am

Nope. 8)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Grimbal on Aug 17^th, 2006, 9:17am

[hide] He can guess ... and fail to find the word, but he guessed, right? [/hide]
or
[hide] Is John much taller and stronger than Mark? [/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Sameer on Aug 17^th, 2006, 9:17am

Is the word [hide]everyday? like he said "it is a usual -- everyday -- word ... or the word can be "easy" as he also said "as I don't want to make it -- harder -- for you[/hide]. Do I er.. Mark get the car keys? I am also out of ideas... :-/

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 17^th, 2006, 12:36pm

on 08/17/06 at 09:17:24, Grimbal wrote:

[hide] He can guess ... and fail to find the word, but he guessed, right? [/hide]

Grimbal, I decided to accept your new answer! But this riddle is far from over, because it has two more plausible answers, and, thanks to Grimbal who showed the way, maybe even more. So stay on it, riddlers, as we should squeeze all plausible answers out of this one like squeezing an orange! And then meritoriously drink the juice. 8) Or not. :-[ :-X

Nice try Sameer, but 'everyday ' would have to be in parenthesis, would it not? I don't think you can look at it that way, the way riddle is worded.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by graphia on Aug 17^th, 2006, 2:59pm

[hide]It doesn't matter what John says, if Mark wants to let him borrow the car he'll say yes and if he doesn't want him to borrow the car he'll say no. So the answer to "Can John borrow Mark's car" is...yes, if Mark wants him to.[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by towr on Aug 17^th, 2006, 3:04pm

There is a way John can force Mark, unless Mark chickens out of the bet.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 17^th, 2006, 3:32pm

I don't think so graphia, but stay on it. Like I said, this riddle is not over. Maybe it is never over.

I know from a reliable source that towr knows one of the two answers. He solved it on a different frequency connecting Mars and Earth. So pay attention to his hints. ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 17^th, 2006, 3:40pm

Actually, I really like your answer graphia, but I think we have to focus on Mark's little game, what he said, not the question I posed to you at the end.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 21^st, 2006, 4:23am

Clue: [hide]Time is on my side, Rolling Stones.[/hide] ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by GeMsToNe on Aug 21^st, 2006, 8:04am

Hmm... is "YES" the word? I don't know, we use it everyday... but it's only a guess. So if John actually accepts Mark's bet, he'll say "YES", won't he? ???

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 21^st, 2006, 8:26am

GeMsToNe I have a feeling John will accept Mark's bet, because that wouldn't be his first time. There is a history between these blokes regarding bets. :P

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by GeMsToNe on Aug 22^nd, 2006, 7:38am

Ok... [hide]but maybe John can threaten Mark (I don't know how) to give the car keys, would that count?[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Death on Aug 22^nd, 2006, 9:04am

This is mainly a guess but [hide]could John ask Mark for the time?[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 22^nd, 2006, 9:05am

Nope. Maybe [hide]bureaucracy[/hide] would be a better hint. ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 22^nd, 2006, 9:11am

on 08/22/06 at 09:04:39, Death wrote:

This is mainly a guess but [hide]could John ask Mark for the time?[/hide]

Curious: [hide]time[/hide] for what exactly? I think you got it, but you have to provide details. :-/ 8)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by truemuffinman on Aug 22^nd, 2006, 10:11am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't he just try more then once until he gets it right?

In the rules it never states that he only has one try.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 22^nd, 2006, 11:53am

You got it. No time limit, bring a dictionary and guess all you want. :o

But what if John must guess once and guess correctly? The latter is because of Grimbal's solution, just so there is no confusion. And yes, this is another riddle. ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Weazel on Aug 23^rd, 2006, 9:36am

I still like my answer, which I may need to explain:

Saying please is a form of etiquette and politeness, but sometimes, especially with younger children, it is said as a form of getting something you want, and sometimes referred to as the "magic word," for example:

"Gimme ketchup!"
"What's the magic word?"
"Sorry. May I have some ketchup, please?"

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Sameer on Aug 23^rd, 2006, 3:04pm

on 08/22/06 at 11:53:34, alien wrote:

actually you do have time limit.. until the upcoming saturday ;)

And for the second riddle, John will guess [hide]"correctly"[/hide]..

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by GeMsToNe on Aug 24^th, 2006, 3:25am

heehee... I love your riddles! ;D Even if I don't have enough brains to use to solve them... >_<

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 24^th, 2006, 7:57am

Nice tries, but no winner yet.

on 08/24/06 at 03:25:25, GeMsToNe wrote:

heehee... I love your riddles!

And I would say that I love you, but since you are under age, I guess I wont. :P Thanks for the boost though. :)

on 08/23/06 at 15:04:55, Sameer wrote:

actually you do have time limit.. until the upcoming saturday

Right.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Death on Aug 25^th, 2006, 12:59am

OK, this probably isn't right but [hide]is John Mark's boss and has information that would cause Mark to loose his job? That would mean that John would simply have to summerise that information into one word (like 'secretary') and Mark would have to lend his car to John in order to keep his job.[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by GeMsToNe on Aug 25^th, 2006, 5:32am

I go with Death's answer! ;D

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 25^th, 2006, 6:33am

[hide]No need to invent situations, [/hide]just focus on [hide]what is said in the riddle. Grimbal's approach is the key.[/hide] ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Sameer on Aug 25^th, 2006, 10:30am

In that case [hide]John keeps on guessing. As soon as he has guessed correctly he can stop, since his correct guess would be only for 1 time he can keep guessing "incorrectly" as many times as he likes!! :D[/hide]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 25^th, 2006, 11:13am

Nice try, but I said, well, Mark said to John that he can guess once, and that goes for incorrect answers too. ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Death on Aug 25^th, 2006, 2:25pm

[hide]Could John frigten Mark into lending him his car i.e. saying the word "tab" or something which would cause Mark to think better of stopping his best friend John from borrowing his car?[/hide]

Alternatively, [hide]John takes out his mobile, dials 999 or 911 or a number to that effect and say "Police" or even "Ambulance" while rolling up his sleeves...[/hide]

What a great friend Mark has ::)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 26^th, 2006, 5:45am

Nah. Their friendship has nothing to do with uppercuts. ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by sirche on Aug 26^th, 2006, 7:10pm

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 28^th, 2006, 12:00pm

huh? ??? :P

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by cchris on Aug 28^th, 2006, 1:56pm

The north pole?

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 28^th, 2006, 5:57pm

What of it?

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by sirche on Aug 28^th, 2006, 7:13pm

it is the word, he doesn't want to make [/i]IT[i] harder than it needs to be.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by cchris on Aug 28^th, 2006, 7:18pm

"it" is a word.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by sirche on Aug 28^th, 2006, 7:20pm

But not the one that Mark is thinking of?

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 29^th, 2006, 6:29am

on 08/28/06 at 19:13:31, sirche wrote:

it is the word, he doesn't want to make [/i]IT[i] harder than it needs to be.

Not bad but I hadn't that in mind. ;)

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by Grimbal on Aug 29^th, 2006, 7:48am

on 08/15/06 at 08:49:43, alien wrote:

So can John get keys to Mark's car or not? ;)

No, he can't.

on 08/15/06 at 08:49:43, alien wrote:

So can John get keys to Mark's car or not? ;)

Yes, he can.

One of the answers is bound to be correct.

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by honkyboy on Aug 29^th, 2006, 10:36am

John could say [hideb]'keys' (or 'car' is just as well). It may not be the specific word Mark was thinking of for John to get the car keys, but John can argue that Mark had to have the word 'in mind' considering the topic of conversation.[/hideb]

Title: Re: Killer loop
Post by alien on Aug 29^th, 2006, 3:10pm

You can't go wrong with that one Grimbal, but details for John getting the keys are required. :P

on 08/29/06 at 10:36:49, honkyboy wrote:

You got it. Actually, my idea was that John says [hide]any word, not a particular one, and then argues that it must be correct, because Mark has it in his mind anyway. Mark has memory, and this usual word is stored in it, that is, in his brain, which, presumably, is undamaged. But I must be lenient to parties, so [/hide]honkyboy is the sole winner. And if someone has another idea, and this includes critique, step forward and you might be heard. ::)