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(Message started by: cheesepuff on Jan 9^th, 2006, 5:31pm)

Title: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cheesepuff on Jan 9^th, 2006, 5:31pm

Some people were visiting a theme park. they got on the roller coaster. Suddenly they went into a dark tunnel. There was about 30 seconds spent in that long dark tunnel. suddenly, as they emerged, someone screamed. The person sitting next to her was beheaded. Everyone else on the train cart was fastened tight. How was this person murdered?

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by Grimbal on Jan 10^th, 2006, 12:37am

Maybe [hide] the person was beheaded already before entering the tunnel? [/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by Padzok on Jan 10^th, 2006, 4:54pm

The beheaded person was an adult (or just tall); the rest were kids (or just short).

Was the dead girl Snow White?

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by baddab457 on Jan 11^th, 2006, 3:41pm

maybe the beheaded was dummy enough? and they were testers riding?

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by gigbox_69 on Jan 11^th, 2006, 6:07pm

perhaps he was abnormally tall and the end of the tunnel had a sharp edge on top but so high no one would have ever guessed someone like the beheaded one would be so tall
???

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by gigbox_69 on Jan 11^th, 2006, 6:10pm

Posted by: Grimbal Posted on: Jan 10th, 2006, 12:37am
Maybe the person was beheaded already before entering the tunnel?

But if that's the answer then that begins the new question of how was he beheaded BEFORE entering the tunnel?

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by Zero on Jan 14^th, 2006, 4:24pm

30 seconds in a dark tunnel?
Theme park rides only LAST thirty seconds or so.
People screaming on a roller coaster is normal.

I'd say the dude's head exploded from all the excitement. ;D

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by Grimbal on Jan 15^th, 2006, 1:30pm

It was just a puppet standing besides the wagon to scare people.

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by Icarus on Jan 15^th, 2006, 4:57pm

Was the guy behind him carrying a pair of hedge clippers? :o

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by egnorant on Feb 19^th, 2006, 8:14am

he stood up in the tunnel

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cheesepuff on Feb 22^nd, 2006, 4:28pm

sorry haven't checked in a while...

No to all

Height doesn't really matter, but he is around 5 feet 9

He was still in his seat when he was dead

people would notice hedge clippers

and this is one of those special ride that take like 2 minutes and are designed to scare people with dark tunnels and stuff.

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by egnorant on Feb 23^rd, 2006, 5:06pm

Killer waited inside the tunnel in an area where he could see the rider yet not be seen himself.
As the coaster passes by the killer drops a wire loop over his head. At the slow part before a fast drop would be ideal.
The other end of the wire is attached firmly to the ceiling and as the securely strapped in passenger proceeds down the tunnel the wire slices his head off.
Before the death is discovered, the killer has mingled with the mass of theme park people!
Possibly in the mob that is trying to find out what all the ruckus is about.
Killer could also be dressed as one of the park mascots or as a character in the theme of the tunnel exhibits.
Bruce

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by Puffster on May 17^th, 2006, 1:09am

Can a brotha get some resolution on this one? Or at least some more hints? I've got nothing to go on here. :'(

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by DewiMorgan on Jun 5^th, 2006, 8:36pm

It is in the nature of riddles that every detail is significant, and the answer is aesthetically satisfying.

I feel that the last sentence is confusing since it asks a question we otherwise have no basis for. Normally, we'd put a death in a fairground down to an accident (from standing up in the ride, for instance). Maybe better phrased as "The dead man was murdered. How was this done?" perhaps?

Now we have abunch of questions, some of which might be relevant:

why was he murdered?
by whom?
why decapitation?
why in the dark?
why is the duration significant?
why did the other passenger scream?

Standing up in the ride fits with all the facts apart from the murder.

A garotte fits with all facts except the scream and the darkness: why would someone scream in the total dark?

We can guess that the screamer was either the murderer trying to cover their tracks with a fake scream, or (more intellectually satisfying) they saw or felt something related to the murder that the other passengers did not.

Glowing eyes from high vision goggles worn by the murderer would be suitable, but wouldn't explain the decapitation.

The head falling into the passenger's lap would explain the scream, but fails to explain the mechanism of decapitation.

I'm stumped on it.

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by graphia on Jun 6^th, 2006, 1:41am

Dewimorgan, I believe that the scream happened as the train emerged from the tunnel which would be pretty reasonably if someone had just seen a decapitated body.

Also: Clues? Come on seriously, we need something here :P

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Jun 21^st, 2006, 8:02pm

We've all been looking into bizarre and complicated explanations as to how this man was killed. Maybe the guy behind him just looped a wire around his neck and took his head off. Or maybe the person next to him did it and faked the scream.

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cchris on Jun 26^th, 2006, 5:21pm

The fact that 'the rest of the people were strapped in' would incenuate that the strap or safety bar (whatever the restraint was) had somehow beheaded him during the ride. That, or someone could have pushed him against the tunnel wall (or he did so himself), which did the same (since he wasn't strapped in).

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cheesepuff on Jul 18^th, 2006, 6:47am

on 02/23/06 at 17:06:53, egnorant wrote:

pretty close

same basic idea, just you cant target the person, youre not sure which seat he's in in a dark tunnel, but
[hide]he is beheaded with a wire, its going pretty fast in the tunnel[/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cchris on Jul 18^th, 2006, 2:04pm

Not unless [hide]he just happens to be a little bit taller, or a chaperone on a ride for people of only a certain height. In that case, you most certainly can target that one person. He really "stands out in the crowd."[/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by graphia on Jul 18^th, 2006, 2:52pm

Somehow that answer's just not that satisfying :\

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cheesepuff on Jul 18^th, 2006, 7:46pm

[hide]He is beheaded with a wire, you just have to find out where the wire was attached and how it was stable enough to behead him[/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by egnorant on Jul 18^th, 2006, 11:40pm

My answer is perfectly plausible given the facts.
By mentioning murder you indicate a planned death. Not specifically this person.
The mention that "Everyone else was fastened tight" would lead us to believe that the murdered person was no longer or had not been fastened tight. this might indicate faulty or damaged restraint system.
What was its design? T-bar? seat belt? shoulder bar or hoop?
New clue indicated that it was a wire and it was moving fast. Fast in relation to what?
My new speulation has the specific seat rigged with a wire along the pull down hoop restraint.
Thread the wire under the car so that when it passes a preinstalled hook it will catch and snatch the wire through the neck and under the train.
Previous theory fits the facts as presented provided the the target was specific.
Might even use night vision goggles for ID!
Second specifies a certain design of restraint and a non-specific target.
A specific seat could be targeted if every seat was rigged and the catch wires for each seat were spread across the width of the underside of the train. Then a certain seat could be picked by using a hook in....say, hole #9! Spot that the person targeted is in seat 9 as the ride starts then perform a funtion (accomplice on walkie talkie, murderer goes himself, remote control) that provides for a hook in...hole #9. Specific target!
I could also rig a motor to swing an loop of wire from the roof at neck height when a train goes under.
Non-specific target!
With a little tweaking I could have this one drop on a specific seat by remote control.
Was the seat layout 2 across? 4 across?
As presented there are numerous possibilities.

bruce

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by DewiMorgan on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:44am

"Fast" to me, implies: 1) dropping a loop of wire over a target's moving head is not feasible, 2) the target can be decapitated by taut stationary wire, 3) the target will, if his safety harness is not correctly fastened, be thrown up when passing over a bump, if his safety harness is incorrectly fastened (as is implied by the original question).

[hide]SO: murderer is staff who locks people into their seat and tampers with the fastener of the victim. Murder implement is wire suspended over a bump in the track, resulting in decapitation. head lands on neighbour's lap, so they scream.[/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cchris on Jul 19^th, 2006, 11:07am

Could the killer have been [hide]another passenger?[/hide] They could've gotten away with it if it was a dark tunnel, no one would have known.

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cheesepuff on Jul 19^th, 2006, 10:31pm

[hide]the killer was the one sitting next to him, they were sitting in the last row, making easy access to... something moving fast. The weapon did not consist of a wire only[/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by DewiMorgan on Jul 20^th, 2006, 7:14am

[hide]The killer reached over and unclipped his harness as they went over the bump, over which the wire was strung?[/hide] OR: [hide]The killer hooked wire over victim's head hooked other end to passing thingumabob moving past really fast in the complete darkness... no, OK, that one's not feasible...[/hide] OR: [hide]the killer tied one end of the wire to a convenient heavy anchor that he had smuggled onto the ride without being noticed, looped the other end over the victim's neck and flung an anchor off the back so that... naah, the anchor would have been spotted by staff, the method of death would be obvious and the photographs that are always taken on these rides would show that the only person who could loop a wire round his nec would be the murderer, so that's no good either.[/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by egnorant on Jul 20^th, 2006, 7:21am

Drop a loop over victims head, end of wire has a grapple that is dropped off the back of the car to tangle in the track and support structure.
Were I able to see the evidence of this I could point out the killer.
Also could have tossed the hook up to snag on a
support. Harder to pinpoint killer this way...also harder to achieve for killer.
As I have stated there are still many ways to accomplish this.
If I were the killer I would also try to avoid suspicion.
Obvious premeditation indicates a desire to not get caught.
Bruce

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cchris on Jul 20^th, 2006, 4:17pm

I would think perhaps [hide]if the killer was beside him, he could have cut his harness (or unbuckled it, as most would probably strap toward the center), and at some point the killer pushed the man outside so his head was knocked off. And perhaps with the screaming of going through a dark tunnel, no one would have known.[/hide]

Title: Re: Roller Coaster Death
Post by cheesepuff on Jul 20^th, 2006, 5:37pm

egnorant got it right
[hide]You only need to attach a small hook capable of grabbing the tracks. If you planned this out well, the angle of a turn might cause the head to roll away, and the murder weapon to fall beneath the tracks.[/hide]