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(Message started by: KenYonRuKu on May 26th, 2005, 6:45pm)
Title: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 26th, 2005, 6:45pm
Phil was a creative writing lecturer at a modest University in England. He was 25 years old, and married to Gemma, who worked at Selfridges as a shop assistant. They met whilst they were at University, and had become firm friends, then casual lovers, before marrying last year.
On paper, they appeared to have a perfect marriage.

But Phil was a love rat.

Unbeknownst to Gemma, he had been having a secret affair with Janet, one of their former lecturers at Universtity. They would meet briefly and always out of sight of the general public. They were very careful, and made sure that no one was around when they met. They never went anywhere that would unnecessarily give them away (no smokey clubs or pubs for example). They communicated with eachother solely by email, from their offices in their respective Universities. They used false names and never directly declared love for eachother or stated where and when they would meet.

They never met at a time when they should have been at home. Whenever they met, they would leave and return home at the normal time. Due to the flexibility of their jobs, taking an hour or so off work was not unusual.

Last week, Phil left his office and drove across the city to a small office block to meet Janet. He knew someone in the office block, and was going to meet them after seeing Janet, so that would be his alibi if anyone saw him going there.

Phil and Janet met in an empty office... they were together for less than an hour. They parted, and Janet went back to her University. Phil went to see his friend, and they had a coffee and made small talk for a while. Then he left, and drove straight home.

When he got home, he found that Gemma had packed up all his clothes in suitcases and left them outside. When he challenged her, she told him that she knew about Janet.


How did she know?
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Sjoerd Job Postmus on May 27th, 2005, 1:26am
Some quick words that come to mind...

[hideb]time-schedule (included with his wages?)
phone-calls for Phil (from co-workers that wanted to talk to him)
"oh Janet! Oh Janet! during intercourse with Gemma?
Reading e-mail?
The video-tape Phil and Janet made a while ago of eachother (perverted, yes)[/hideb]

Still, there's a contradiction:

Quote:
Unbeknownst to Gemma...


Quote:
she told him that she knew about Janet


Question: [hide]Did she know about Janet, or about him having afairs?[/hide]
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Lalamel on May 27th, 2005, 2:51am
she checked the miles on his car and did some math?

he was talking in his sleep?

does her job have anything to do with it?
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Grimbal on May 27th, 2005, 3:28am
[hide]
Janet wrote a book.

The book tells about a writer named Phibb, teacher at the university having an affair with an ex-lecturer called Janice, unbeknownst to his wife Genna.

She understood
- His tatoo P+J in a heart,
- How he came to accidentally wear a woman's panty when coming back home, which he never explained,
- Who is that lady who keeps dialing the wrong number,
- What was that "writers conference" where he spent two months and came back suntanned,
- The hotel bills on the credit card,
- The lipstick on his shirts,
- The allergy to gold that made him stop wearing his ring,
- Etc.
[/hide]
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Ajax on May 27th, 2005, 3:42am
[hide]Well, maybe the office where they went was very close to Gemma's shop and she show them,[/hide]or...

...or [hideb] Gemma was cheating him also with the friend he was to meet afterwards and they were also going to meet at the same place, but when she went there she found out that it was already occupied by her husband. [/hideb]
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Grimbal on May 27th, 2005, 3:55am
Maybe [hide] Janet was hired by Genna to test Phil?  She is planning a divorce, you see, so she needs to build a stong case. [/hide]
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Ajax on May 27th, 2005, 4:06am

on 05/27/05 at 03:55:55, Grimbal wrote:
Maybe [hide] Janet was hired by Genna to test Phil?  She is planning a divorce, you see, so she needs to build a stong case. [/hide]


Yes, [hide]they are actually lovers (...) and they want to get all of his money.[/hide]
There must be a movie, or else we should write a scenario and sell the rights to Hollywood  ;)
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 27th, 2005, 9:41am

on 05/27/05 at 01:26:42, Sjoerd Job Postmus wrote:
Some quick words that come to mind...

[hideb]time-schedule (included with his wages?)
phone-calls for Phil (from co-workers that wanted to talk to him)
"oh Janet! Oh Janet! during intercourse with Gemma?
Reading e-mail?
The video-tape Phil and Janet made a while ago of eachother (perverted, yes)[/hideb]

Still, there's a contradiction:


Question: [hide]Did she know about Janet, or about him having afairs?[/hide]


Gemma knew that Phil was having an affair with someone called Janet
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 27th, 2005, 9:42am
No to all of the above answers...
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Ajax on May 27th, 2005, 10:51am
[hide]Gemma has dual personality and her husband is cheating her with her other self... She goes to a shrink and cures her. When they meet at the office, she is Gemma, so Phil gets caught...[/hide]

::)
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 27th, 2005, 5:22pm

on 05/27/05 at 10:51:23, Ajax wrote:
[hide]Gemma has dual personality and her husband is cheating her with her other self... She goes to a shrink and cures her. When they meet at the office, she is Gemma, so Phil gets caught...[/hide]

::)


Great thought! But not what I had in mind...
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 27th, 2005, 6:12pm
[hide]Janet called Gemma and told her about her affair with Phil. Reason ? That we'll never know. Maybe she wants Phil for herself. Maybe she hates Gemma. Maybe she's just plain bored out of her mind and wants some excitement.[/hide]


Just a guess, don't really think its the correct answer.  ;D
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 28th, 2005, 6:40am

on 05/27/05 at 18:12:58, JiNbOtAk wrote:
[hide]Janet called Gemma and told her about her affair with Phil. Reason ? That we'll never know. Maybe she wants Phil for herself. Maybe she hates Gemma. Maybe she's just plain bored out of her mind and wants some excitement.[/hide]


Just a guess, don't really think its the correct answer.  ;D


You would be right - it's not the correct answer!

Janet and Gemma have never spoken...
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by baddab457 on May 28th, 2005, 11:05am
heres the important part of the riddle

Last week, Phil left his office and drove across the city to a small office block to meet Janet. He knew someone in the office block, and was going to meet them after seeing Janet, so that would be his alibi if anyone saw him going there.

knowing before that Gemma worked at selfridges as a shop assissant, she worked in that same small office block theat Phil and Janet met
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 28th, 2005, 5:34pm

on 05/28/05 at 11:05:04, baddab457 wrote:
heres the important part of the riddle

Last week, Phil left his office and drove across the city to a small office block to meet Janet. He knew someone in the office block, and was going to meet them after seeing Janet, so that would be his alibi if anyone saw him going there.

knowing before that Gemma worked at selfridges as a shop assissant, she worked in that same small office block theat Phil and Janet met


Good thinking, but the friend in the office block had absolutely nothing to do with Gemma finding out...

Here's another clue... [hideb]nobody told Gemma about Phil's infidelity[/hideb]
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by alien on May 28th, 2005, 8:17pm

on 05/27/05 at 09:41:41, KenYonRuKu wrote:
Gemma knew that Phil was having an affair with someone called Janet

She found a bracelet with the name Janet engraved on it.
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 29th, 2005, 3:09am
Nope, there was no bracelet...
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 29th, 2005, 10:41pm
Could it be,

[hide]Gemma read about Janet in Phil's diary, which records so eloquently their sexual escapades. Why would Phil wrote something like that in his diary ? Because all this while, Gemma couldn't read. However, Gemma had been  taking reading classes secretly, in order to surprise Phil. Of course, it's a different kind of surprise than she had intended in the first place. [/hide]   :-/

Since I don't think that's correct ( again !! ), my question to KenYonRuKu is that, why did Phil have an affair, if, as you implied, Gemma was the perfect wife of a perfect marriage ?
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 29th, 2005, 11:26pm

on 05/29/05 at 22:41:34, JiNbOtAk wrote:
Could it be,

[hide]Gemma read about Janet in Phil's diary, which records so eloquently their sexual escapades. Why would Phil wrote something like that in his diary ? Because all this while, Gemma couldn't read. However, Gemma had been  taking reading classes secretly, in order to surprise Phil. Of course, it's a different kind of surprise than she had intended in the first place. [/hide]   :-/

Since I don't think that's correct ( again !! ), my question to KenYonRuKu is that, why did Phil have an affair, if, as you implied, Gemma was the perfect wife of a perfect marriage ?


I love the answer, JiNbOtAk, although it's not what I had in mind... Gemma doesn't find out about Phil'S infidelity by reading anything...

As to your question, who knows? Why do so many people have affairs? Boredom? The thrill of forbidden fruit? I believe my exact words were "On paper, they appeared to have a perfect marriage", so clearly things were not right between them...
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Ajax on May 30th, 2005, 1:22am
Need some clarifications:

1) Does Gemma know Janet?

2) Has her place of work got to do anything with the solution?

3) Is she also cheating Phil?

4) Is Gemma also married?
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 30th, 2005, 2:28am

Quote:
1) Does Gemma know Janet?

2) Has her place of work got to do anything with the solution?

3) Is she also cheating Phil?

4) Is Gemma also married?



Umm, I would say that Gemma is married, although whether Janet is remains a mystery.

Okay, let's see what we have.

1. Gemma knew Phil is having an affair with a woman named Janet ( although we don't know yet whether Gemma knew Janet )

2. No one told Gemma about her husband's infidelity, either verbally or in writing,  so we'll assume that she came to that conclusion herself.

3. The friend in the office block has nothing to do with Gemma finding out.

4. Janet and Gemma had never spoken to each other.


Hmm, I have several guesses, all of them as improbable as my previous ones, so I'd keep them to myself for now. At least, until KenYonRuKu answered Ajax enquiries.
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by towr on May 30th, 2005, 2:55am
Maybe she saw them on a webcam that was inadvertently left on..  ;D
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 30th, 2005, 3:32am

on 05/30/05 at 01:22:18, Ajax wrote:
Need some clarifications:

1) Does Gemma know Janet?

2) Has her place of work got to do anything with the solution?

3) Is she also cheating Phil?

4) Is Gemma also married?


1. No
2. No
3. No
4. Do you mean is she married to someone other than Phil? No.
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 30th, 2005, 3:33am

on 05/30/05 at 02:55:19, towr wrote:
Maybe she saw them on a webcam that was inadvertently left on..  ;D


Ahh... now, towr, you haven't found the correct bread, but you are certainly on the doorstep of the bakery...
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 30th, 2005, 4:09am
Gemma saw Phil and Janet thru the window of the empty office ?  ???
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 30th, 2005, 4:37am
Nope... Gemma was at home all day. She didn't see anything.
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Ajax on May 30th, 2005, 4:49am

on 05/30/05 at 01:22:18, Ajax wrote:
4) Is Gemma also married?



Sorry, I meant Janet. Anyway,

Is there any security camera, or the office is actually a local tv station and they were seen by the whole city, including Gemma?
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Ajax on May 30th, 2005, 4:52am
And the friend was actually a reporter who was to take an interview?
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 30th, 2005, 6:57am

on 05/30/05 at 04:49:56, Ajax wrote:
Sorry, I meant Janet. Anyway,

Is there any security camera, or the office is actually a local tv station and they were seen by the whole city, including Gemma?


Janet is married, but it is of no importance. There are no security cameras. It is not a tv station, local or otherwise. Nobody saw what was going on in the office.

A clue: [hideb]Gemma finding out was an accident[/hideb]
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by towr on May 30th, 2005, 7:09am
So also no photocopier? (People do it in the strangest places)  ::)
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Grimbal on May 30th, 2005, 7:22am
His office was in the Twin Towers but when he came back that evening, he asked "terrorist act?  What terrorist act?"
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 30th, 2005, 7:59am
Nope...
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by BNC on May 30th, 2005, 9:19am
Did she happen to see the friend's blog on the web? (he might have written "I have seen my good friend Phil enters my office bld w/ a woman who is not his wife")
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 30th, 2005, 5:18pm
Hmm..this gets confusing. If Gemma didn't find out about the affair by reading anything, or by watching anything, that leaves hearing something somewhere. But Gemma is at her house the whole day, this is my guess;

[hide]Phil didn't keylocked his mobile phone, and accidentally dialled Gemma's number during his throes of passion. Gemma picked up the phone, and heard every dirty details, including Phil's moans of Janet's name.[/hide]

I can't help feeling a sense of déjà vu for the above scenario.  ;)
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Grimbal on May 30th, 2005, 6:36pm
[hide]She just pressed the "redial" button on the phone.[/hide]
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by KenYonRuKu on May 30th, 2005, 7:44pm

on 05/30/05 at 17:18:01, JiNbOtAk wrote:
Hmm..this gets confusing. If Gemma didn't find out about the affair by reading anything, or by watching anything, that leaves hearing something somewhere. But Gemma is at her house the whole day, this is my guess;

[hide]Phil didn't keylocked his mobile phone, and accidentally dialled Gemma's number during his throes of passion. Gemma picked up the phone, and heard every dirty details, including Phil's moans of Janet's name.[/hide]

I can't help feeling a sense of déjà vu for the above scenario.  ;)


Congratulations JiNbOtAk!!! EXACTLY right! Very well done indeed!
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by JiNbOtAk on May 30th, 2005, 9:04pm
Finally, I managed to answer a riddle.  ;D Pathetic, I know, but, who cares ? Of course, since I stumbled upon the idea from a book I've read, its not entirely original, still...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A love rat caught... but how?
Post by Death on Aug 18th, 2006, 1:26pm
Under the assumtion that you were sarcastic  ::), i would say that [hide]Gemma had a hunch that Phil was having an affair, and he was the one who actually confirmed it.[/hide]  :P


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