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Title: Alternating Sum Post by THUDandBLUNDER on Aug 24th, 2006, 4:09am For 0 < x < 1, consider S(x) = x - x2 + x4 - x8 + x16 - x32 +... - ... Does S(x) tend to a limit as x -> 1 from below, and if so what is this limit? |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 24th, 2006, 3:39pm EVEN if I know the answer the ODDs are that somebody will post a nice solution so I will wait[hide]S(x) is an oscillating series as it approaches 1[/hide] |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Icarus on Aug 24th, 2006, 6:52pm Coming up with the value isn't hard. Showing that S converges to it (I'm fairly certain it does) is another matter. By Hadamard's formula, the series converges to an analytic S for all |x| < 1. Note also that S(x) = x - S(x2), whereby it is clear that S(1-) = 1/2, if it exists at all. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 24th, 2006, 11:27pm what about S(1+) ? Doesn't that tell if S converges if x->1 |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Eigenray on Aug 25th, 2006, 6:38am on 08/24/06 at 23:27:14, Sameer wrote:
The series for S(x) doesn't converge if x>1. And [hide]S(z) can't be analytically continued outside the unit disk,[/hide] so there's no other way to sensibly define S(x), x>1. But that doesn't really matter, since the question is only asking about the limit from the left. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 25th, 2006, 9:42am Ah ok I misinterpreted x->1 from below!! Thanks for clarifying.. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Icarus on Aug 25th, 2006, 5:25pm Here is one way to show that it converges (though I leave the nasty details where the devil hides out): Let C(x) be the Cesaro sum of the series: If Sn(x) = x - x2 + ... - x2^(n-1), then C = limn (1/n)(S1 + S2 + ... + Sn). The following facts hold: 1) If a sequence converges, then the Cesaro sum converges to the same limit. 2) C(1) converges to 1/2. 3) (the nasty part) C(1-) = C(1). 4) by (1), S(1-) = C(1-) = C(1). |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Deedlit on Aug 25th, 2006, 10:02pm S(x) = x / (1+x) for -1 < x < 1, and lim [x -> 1-] x / (1 + x) = 1/2. :) |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Barukh on Aug 26th, 2006, 12:15am on 08/25/06 at 22:02:37, Deedlit wrote:
??? Isn't it true for S'(x) = x - x2 + x3 - x4 + ... ? |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Deedlit on Aug 26th, 2006, 1:53am Heh heh. Today is just one of those days... |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Michael_Dagg on Aug 26th, 2006, 10:39am You can spot an easy functional relationship between S(x) and S(x^2); then let x -> 1- and you'll arrive at the same result. I think most things about this function are proved from that functional relationship. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 26th, 2006, 11:40am S(x) = x - S(x2) So let's compute S(x2) first S(x2) = x2 - x4 + x8 .. sum of series formula S(x2) = x2/(1+x2) So S(x) = x - x2/(1+x2) Computing x->1- gives 1/2 Did I miss anything? |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Icarus on Aug 26th, 2006, 12:14pm x2/(1+x2) = x2 - x4 + x6 - x8 + ... S(x2) = x2/(1+x2) = x2 - x4 + x8 - x16 + ... |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Michael_Dagg on Aug 26th, 2006, 12:16pm Alternatively, see if you can come up with a g(x) and h(x) such that you can squeeze it: g(x) <= S(x) <= h(x) |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 26th, 2006, 12:27pm on 08/26/06 at 12:14:59, Icarus wrote:
ugh.. i knew it came too easy and so had to be some problem... ok I think I need lunch to think this over!! Thanks Icarus for pointing this out.. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by THUDandBLUNDER on Aug 26th, 2006, 1:07pm on 08/26/06 at 12:27:05, Sameer wrote:
S(x4) = ? |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Eigenray on Aug 26th, 2006, 1:34pm on 08/25/06 at 17:25:10, Icarus wrote:
By the process of elimination... Quote:
...are you sure about that? Attached is a graph of S(e-2^-x) (in red). Following [link=http://www.math.harvard.edu/~elkies/M259.02/gamma.pdf]Exercise 5[/link], by Poisson summation, for A>1, and z = e-2^-x, http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif (-A)nz2^n = 1/log 2 http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif Gamma((log A - (2n-1)pi i)/log 2)ex(log A - (2n-1)pi i), where the sum is over all integers n. I don't see how to let A->1, because when A=1, the sum on the left doesn't converge (as n->-infinity). But, when z -> 1 (x->infinity), the sum for negative n is "-A/(1+A)-ish", which does go to -1/2, so in some sense S(z) = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>=0 z2^n ~* 1/2 + 1/log 2 http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif Gamma(-(2n-1)pi i/log 2)e-(2n-1)pi i x = 1/2 + 2/log 2 Re[ Gamma(pi i/log 2)epi i x + Gamma(3pi i/log 2)e3pi i x + ... ]. Gamma(iy) decays exponentially as y->infinity; compare S(z) (red) to F1(x) (blue): F1(x) = 1/2 + 2/log 2 Re[ Gamma(pi i/log 2)epi i x ] = 1/2 + 2/log 2 |Gamma(pi i/log 2)|cos(pi x + Arg Gamma(pi i/log 2)). Arg Gamma(pi i/log 2) ~ .48 pi, so this is why S(z)=1/2 for x close to an integer. *Anybody know how to make this precise? |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Eigenray on Aug 26th, 2006, 2:20pm My previous post notwithstanding, there is in fact an elementary solution to the original question, though you'll quite likely need to use a computer to show [hide]the existence of an x with S(x)>1/2[/hide]. Followup: show that S(z) doesn't extend continuously to any connected open set intersecting the unit circle. Harder: do any radial limits exist? |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by THUDandBLUNDER on Aug 26th, 2006, 3:08pm on 08/26/06 at 12:27:05, Sameer wrote:
Looks like someone stole your thunder, Sameer! :D |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by towr on Aug 26th, 2006, 3:38pm on 08/25/06 at 17:25:10, Icarus wrote:
A Cesaro sum might converge if the original sequence doesn't. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 26th, 2006, 6:01pm on 08/26/06 at 15:08:49, THUDandBLUNDER wrote:
Yes, most definitely especially this being some of the things I studied as math in my electrical engineering... my eyes lit up with something in putnam i can try my hand at!! .. most of the questions in putnam go over my head!! :-/ |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by THUDandBLUNDER on Aug 27th, 2006, 8:37am on 08/26/06 at 18:01:53, Sameer wrote:
In spite of Eigenray's admirable display of mathematical erudition, this is not one of them. You can still solve this for yourself by noting that S(x) > S(x4) and S(0.995) > 1/2 |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Icarus on Aug 27th, 2006, 2:00pm on 08/26/06 at 15:38:55, towr wrote:
It is somewhat pointless now, since that Eigenray and T&B want to be such poor sports about it as to disprove my claim of (3) >:(, but had (3) been true, it would have been sufficient. The problem, if the answer were positive, would not require the series for S to converge at 1, only that the limits S(x) themselves converge as x --> 1-. Since S(x) = C(x) for x < 1, this is the same as saying C(x) converges as x --> 1-. I went this way because Cesaro sums converge much more easily than regular limits, and are usually more stable. Further, I had already established that the limit of S, if it existed, was the Cesaro sum of the series for x=1. Alas, there really was a devil hiding in those details, as Eigenray and Thud&Blunder have made clear. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Barukh on Aug 27th, 2006, 11:24pm Eigenray, how did you get these graphs? |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Eigenray on Aug 28th, 2006, 2:14pm In[1]:=S[z_]= Sum[(-1)^n z^(2^n), {n,0,Infinity}]; F[x_,n_]= 2/Log[2] Re[Sum[Gamma[(2k-1)Pi I/Log[2] E^((2k-1)Pi I x), {k,1,n]}; Plot[{S[E^(-2^(-x))], 1/2+F[x,1]}, {x,5,15}, PlotRange->{.492,.503}, AxesOrigin->{5,.5}, PlotStyle->[RGBColor[1,0,0]}, {RGBColor[0,0,1]]] or some such. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Eigenray on Aug 28th, 2006, 8:34pm I finally got around to working out the details: For Re(a)>0, b,c>0, let f(x) = eax-be^(cx). Note that f(n) decays exponentially as n->-infinity, and even faster as n->infinity, so everything I say below should be true. The Fourier transform F of f can be computed by substituting t=becx below: F(w) = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/int.gif f(x)e-2pi i xwdx = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/int.gif ex(a-2pi i w)e-be^(cx)dx = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/int.gif (t/b)(a-2pi i w)/c e-tdx/(ct) = b(2pi i w-a)/c/c http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/int.gif t(a-2pi i w)/c - 1 e-tdt = b(2pi i w-a)/c/c Gamma((a-2pi iw)/c), by the integral definition of [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_function]Gamma(z)[/link] for Re(z)>0. By [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_summation_formula]Poisson summation[/link], http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif f(n) = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif F(n), where the sum is over all integers n. Fix z=e-b < 1, set c=log 2, and for A>1, set a=log(-A) = log(A) + pi i. Then http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif (-A)nz2^n = 1/log 2 http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif Gamma((log A - (2n-1)pi i)/log 2)ex(log A - (2n-1)pi i) Let S(z,A), T(z,A), denote the sum on the LHS above restricted to n>0, and n<0, respectively, and let U(x,A) denote the RHS. Now, we'll let A->1+. The [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominated_convergence_theorem]dominated convergence theorem[/link], applied to the counting measure, says that if we have a series http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif cn(A) depending on A, with cn(A) -> cn for each n, and |cn(A)|<bn for some bn with http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif bn finite, then http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif cn(A) -> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif cn. Since |(-A)nz2^n| < bn=2nz2^n for 1<A<2, and http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 bn converges (by the n-th root test, say), we have S(z,A) -> S(z) as A->1+. Determining T(z) = limA T(z,A) is more tricky, since the series T(z,1) doesn't converge. For convenience set t=1/A < 1, r=1-z > 0, so that T(z, A) = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 (-t)n(1-r)1/2^n = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 (-t)n http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifk>=0 (-r)k/k! (1/2n) (1/2n-1) ... (1/2n-(k-1)) = http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 (-t)n + http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifk>0 cn,k,r(t), where cn,k,r(t) = -(-t)nrk/k! [((k-1)2n-1) ... (2n-1)]/2nk. Since |cn,k,r(t)| < rk/2n, and http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif rk/2n < r/(1-r), we have, for fixed z, as A,t -> 1, T(z,A) = (-t)/(1+t) + http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn,k>0 cn,k,r(t) -> -1/2 - http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn,k>0 (-1)n rk/k! [((k-1)2n-1) ... (2n-1)]/2nk = -1/2 - r http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 (-1/2)n - http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifk>1 ck,r, where |ck,r| < http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 |cn,k,r| < http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifn>0 rk/(k2n) = rk/k, so T(z) = -1/2 + r/3 + g(r), where |g(r)| < http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifk>1 rk/k < 1/2 http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifk>1 rk = 1/2 r2/(1-r) < r2 = O((1-z)2), uniformly for 1/2 < z < 1. I'll skip the details, but an elementary argument from the product formula gives |Gamma(iy)| < 2-y^2/(2(y+1))/y, and this suffices to show that for fixed x, U(x,A) -> U(x) := 1/log 2 http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gif Gamma(m pi i/log 2)ex m pi i, where the sum is over odd m. Putting this all together, we have that S(z) = -T(z) + U(x) = 1/2 - (1-z)/3 + g(z) + 2/log 2 http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/sum.gifm>0 odd Re[ Gamma(m pi i/log 2)ex m pi i ], where z = e-2^(-x), and g(z) = O((1-z)2). Numerically, we have U(x) = 0.00275 cos(pi (x+.48 )) + 10-9 cos(pi (x+.72)) + O(10-16). Attached is a graph of -S(z) + 1/2 - (1-z)/3 + 2/log 2 |Gamma(pi i/log 2)|cos(pi x + Arg[Gamma(pi i/log 2)]) (as a function of z). You can see the O((1-z)2) error term from T(z), as well as an oscillation of about 10-9, so you know I didn't just make all this up ;D. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 29th, 2006, 4:05pm on 08/27/06 at 08:37:09, THUDandBLUNDER wrote:
Eigenray just demonstrated that as x->1- the sum oscillates.. hence proving that it diverges.. (right?). Is that what you were trying to tell me using S(x) > S(x^4) and S(0.995) > 1/2 (our previously obtained limit). Is there a easier way to show this diverges? Needs more thought.. there must be something very basic I am missing here.. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Eigenray on Aug 29th, 2006, 6:15pm on 08/29/06 at 16:05:51, Sameer wrote:
Replacing x with [hide]t1/4[/hide] might be more suggestive... |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Barukh on Aug 30th, 2006, 1:35am Sameer, may be the following explanation will be helpful: 1. As shown by Icarus, if the limit exists, it equals 1/2. 2. Therefore, if we can find a sequence of numbers x0 < x1 < x2 < ... converging to 1-, for which S(xn) > 1/2 + constant, it will be shown that the limit doesn't exist. 3. Take x0 = 0.995, and xn = xn-11/4. We have: a) xn is increasing and converges to 1-. b) S(x0) > 1/2. c) S(xn) is increasing, as indicated by T&B. I've got 2 additional question: 1. Is there a way to predict the existance of numbers like 0.995 without resorting to numerical methods? 2. Consider the sequence S(xn) above. Does it have a limit, and if yes, what's its value? Sorry, if Eigenray's post(s) already answer these questions. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Sameer on Aug 30th, 2006, 10:44am on 08/30/06 at 01:35:12, Barukh wrote:
Yes indeed Barukh that was the lines I was thinking as well.. so it ultimately turns to be the definition of limit that disproves the existence of limit!! :D For part 2. I am betting the limit tends to 1. Since for |x| < 1, x^(1/4) is increasing and it will tend to 1. For nth term will be x^(1/n) and as n-> infinity x^(1/n) will tend to 1. |
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Title: Re: Alternating Sum Post by Barukh on Sep 1st, 2006, 4:01am on 08/30/06 at 10:44:45, Sameer wrote:
I doubt this is the case. Remember, we are considering the sequence S(xn), and not the sequence xn. |
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