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(Message started by: maryl on May 14th, 2003, 1:50pm)
Title: Tripe
Post by maryl on May 14th, 2003, 1:50pm
The Snapsinski Test of Responsiveness, Intelligence, Perceptivity and Elucidation (more commonly known as Snaps' TRIPE) is used to examine a person's excogitations of insensate disquisitions, inter alia (ie. a person's thoughts about senseless babble, among other things). Question 9 of Snaps' TRIPE is shown below.

"Question 9: Sort the following list of 16 words into four groups, with four words in each group. Clearly explain why you decided to group the words in such a way. The words are:

anvil, care, cream, crime, elect, entry, hall, lung, mash, pelt, quash, scene, trail, wept, wine, word"

Of the many hundereds of thousands of people who have attempted to understand Snaps' TRIPE only one person, Mr. Richard Shunary, received full marks on this question. He sorted the words into the following groups.

Group 1: entry, mash, quash, wept
Group 2: anvil, crime, scene, trail
Group 3: hall, lung, pelt, wine
Group 4: care, cream, elect, word

Can you explain why he grouped the words in this way?
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Speaker on May 15th, 2003, 2:55am
Each group is alphabetical.

Title: Re: Tripe
Post by wowbagger on May 15th, 2003, 3:25am

on 05/15/03 at 02:55:30, Speaker wrote:
Each group is alphabetical.

I don't think this is enough to "clearly explain" the grouping, as there are many other possible groupings with this property.
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by tohuvabohu on May 15th, 2003, 6:14am
Partial answer, the words in group two are [hide] the only ones that can't form a new word by adding an s to the beginning [/hide]
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by MattyDK23 on May 15th, 2003, 10:10am
tohuvabohu, should that be group 1?

Another partial: [hide]The whole group 4 set is the only set of words that can all end with 'ed' -- cared, creamed, elected, worded.[/hide]

Don't even know if this is going in the right direction...
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by MattyDK23 on May 15th, 2003, 10:13am
...nm
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by wowbagger on May 15th, 2003, 10:16am

on 05/15/03 at 10:10:26, MattyDK23 wrote:
tohuvabohu, should that be group 1?

No, it shouldn't. Read the hidden part of tohuvabohu's post again.


Quote:
Another partial: The whole group 4 set is the only set of words that [hidden]

Wouldn't "trail" fit better than "care" in this case?
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by wowbagger on May 15th, 2003, 10:18am

on 05/15/03 at 10:13:31, MattyDK23 wrote:
Another partial: [hidden]

Hm. What was tohuvabohu's suggestion again?  :)
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by MattyDK23 on May 15th, 2003, 10:25am
My bad...I read it as this partial solution:

the words in group one are [hide]the only ones that can't form a new word by adding an s to the end[/hide]
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by MattyDK23 on May 15th, 2003, 10:37am

on 05/15/03 at 10:16:47, wowbagger wrote:
Wouldn't "trail" fit better than "care" in this case?


Group 1 has [hide]mash and quash[/hide]...group 2, [hide]trail[/hide]...group 3, [hide]lung and pelt.[/hide]  They're all 'better fits'...

But I think [hide]'care' still fits the criteria.  Cared still ends in 'ed', after all...[/hide]

In addition, with group 4, all the words match the criteria.  Groups 1-3 can't say that.
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by tohuvabohu on May 15th, 2003, 10:50am
Along the same line: Group 4 [hide] is the only set that can have an s added to both the beginning and the end at the same time [/hide]
So I suppose the definition for Group 3 is [hide] those words that can add an s to either the beginning or the end but not both [/hide]
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by wowbagger on May 15th, 2003, 10:56am
So group one would be [hide]words that can only be prefixed by "s"[/hide], while the words in group two [hide]can only take an extra "s" as a suffix[/hide].
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by maryl on May 15th, 2003, 1:46pm
"Ssssmokin!"
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Dave O'Brien on Feb 28th, 2004, 11:18pm
This is cute.

[Hide] group 1 can take only prefix s to create new word
group 2 can take only suffix s ..."
group 3 can take either prefix or suffix
group 4 can take BOTH at once.

[/hide]
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Sir Col on Feb 29th, 2004, 2:25am
Nice puzzles, maryl. However, the word, swines (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?dict=B&searchword=swines), although practically obsolete now, is an acceptable plural form.

It seems that words in that group are rare. Perhaps we could present the challenge...

List as many words in the English language as you can that remain good words if you add an s as,
(i) a prefix, a suffix, or both.
(ii) a prefix or a suffix, but not both.
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Speaker on Mar 1st, 2004, 9:45pm
Here are some that can take S as a prefix suffix or both.

wipe
tun
lump
trap
hit

wish can only take a suffix
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by John_Gaughan on Mar 2nd, 2004, 5:45am

on 03/01/04 at 21:45:20, Speaker wrote:
wish can only take a suffix

wishs (invalid form of "wishes")?

or swish (sound of a basketball going through the hoop)?
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Sameer on Mar 2nd, 2004, 8:10am

on 03/01/04 at 21:45:20, Speaker wrote:
wish can only take a suffix


I am sure you meant prefix !!!
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Sir Col on Mar 2nd, 2004, 8:39am
As no one has managed to find any more exclusive or examples, here are some of the ones I found: adder, aid, edition, haven, lender, mitten, pelt, tout, urging. I found about forty altogether. There are many more and/or types.
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by John_Gaughan on Mar 2nd, 2004, 8:54am

on 03/02/04 at 08:39:19, Sir Col wrote:
As no one has managed to find any more exclusive or examples, here are some of the ones I found: adder, aid, edition, haven, lender, mitten, pelt, tout, urging. I found about forty altogether. There are many more and/or types.

How about "stouts," as in "those Guinesses."
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Sir Col on Mar 2nd, 2004, 10:20am
Good point, John! Although it does lower the number I found, I've learned a lesson: going slower in posting answers to problems like this lowers risk of error.
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Speaker on Mar 2nd, 2004, 5:07pm
Yes, I meant prefix, must go slow more quickly, to reduce lowerings of mistakes.
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Noke Lieu on Mar 2nd, 2004, 7:18pm
like it.

Trundling through a dictionary, I notice  saxe  is  a specific colour of dye.
Given its a specific colour, I'd argue it'd tough to give it a plural. That means AXE fits.

also, just above it, sax turns out to be "slater's chopper" (don't know how slater feels about that)
forget how Americans make this plural.

what about chilling?
Can't put an S after UNTIL you put an S before. any others?
Title: Re: Tripe
Post by Noke Lieu on Mar 3rd, 2004, 7:50pm
Here's quick list of XORs. Not confident on some of them...
[hide]
hat
hod
hone
hook
hoon (archaic shoed)
horn
hearing
ex
pate?
pinning?
tale
call
law, and maze- [/hide]as long as you accept [hide] slaw is slaw [/hide], and can't have two different sorts...[hide]
malt, molt, mote,
able?
ward?
wank?
wink? [/hide] they might be ANDs, but it would just feel wrong. :-/


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