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alien2
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There are two androids w/o emotions, Data and Lore. Lore is better than Data regarding a game called Tonopoly, and Data’s human friends want to see the two of them play it.
He challenges Data to play for the chip that can give one of them emotions, and Data agrees even though he wants the chip. So he knew he cannot win, but he played the game nonetheless. Can you explain it?
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #1 on: Apr 20th, 2008, 5:43pm » |
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The game is a game of chance, and Data figures that even if he has a worse chance, there's a chance.
But how do u want something badly without feelings? 
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #2 on: Apr 20th, 2008, 5:57pm » |
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on Apr 20th, 2008, 5:43pm, cheesepuff wrote:| The game is a game of chance, and Data figures that even if he has a worse chance, there's a chance. |
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Nope.
on Apr 20th, 2008, 5:43pm, cheesepuff wrote:| [But how do u want something badly without feelings? |
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I changed it. Whatever.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #3 on: Apr 20th, 2008, 6:38pm » |
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how many players is tonopoly?
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #4 on: Apr 21st, 2008, 12:51am » |
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Lore did have emotion, and quite a bit of ambition and malevolence, as I recall..
Hmmm.. Maybe this is in the mirror-universe.
Maybe Data can force a draw in the game. I remember from one episode where he played some game against an alien that he was unable to win, but when he stopped trying to win and played for a draw he succeeded and frustrated the hell out of his opponent.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #5 on: Apr 21st, 2008, 1:44am » |
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on Apr 21st, 2008, 12:51am, towr wrote:| Maybe Data can force a draw in the game. I remember from one episode where he played some game against an alien that he was unable to win, but when he stopped trying to win and played for a draw he succeeded and frustrated the hell out of his opponent. |
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Yup.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #6 on: Apr 21st, 2008, 1:49am » |
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How can you frustrate an emotionless droid?
No. Data logically inferred that after Lore won the chip, he would feel happy. And Data has been instructed to make people happy.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #7 on: Apr 21st, 2008, 2:54am » |
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on Apr 21st, 2008, 1:49am, Grimbal wrote:| How can you frustrate an emotionless droid? |
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That's not really the point; the point is the not-losing. Maybe the game has a time-limit or something.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #8 on: Apr 22nd, 2008, 10:07am » |
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on Apr 21st, 2008, 1:49am, Grimbal wrote:| How can you frustrate an emotionless droid? |
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Just tell him that you’re annoyed. After all, he’s a droid and you’re annoyed. 
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #9 on: Apr 22nd, 2008, 1:07pm » |
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on Apr 22nd, 2008, 10:07am, Iceman wrote:
Just tell him that you’re annoyed. After all, he’s a droid and you’re annoyed. |
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Thank you Guinan! Actually, I had the answer from that one episode of Star Trek TNG almost as soon as I finished reading the riddle, but alas, it had already been answered.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #10 on: Apr 23rd, 2008, 10:30pm » |
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Guinan?! Did Iceman change again?
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #11 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 2:01pm » |
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Maybe tying in the first few rounds eventually leads to a win. Take e-card for example. The slave side(which data is on) can only win with slave, but if he ties with citizen 4 times, he wins.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #12 on: Apr 28th, 2008, 3:03am » |
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on Apr 20th, 2008, 5:17pm, Iceman wrote:There are two androids w/o emotions, Data and Lore. Lore is better than Data regarding a game called Tonopoly, and Data’s human friends want to see the two of them play it.
He challenges Data to play for the chip that can give one of them emotions, and Data agrees even though he wants the chip. So he knew he cannot win, but he played the game nonetheless. Can you explain it? |
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If there is some randomness, he still has a chance to win.
Or if Tonopoly's fair play rules state that the best player lets the other player play first. Data knows he sucks at the game, but not to the point that he cannot guarantee a win if he plays first.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #13 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 7:08pm » |
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Or he could let Lore win, but once Lore gets the emotion chip, use it against him by making him feel guility that he has the chip and Data doesn't, so he would give the chip to Data.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #14 on: May 5th, 2008, 6:15am » |
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... and we enter an infinite loop.
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Re: Challenge
« Reply #15 on: May 7th, 2008, 8:48pm » |
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Anyone dealing up an unusual number of 3's today? 
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