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iono
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Tim and Joe are enemies and are the only ones left in the office building where they work, aside from security. Tim just found out he was terminally ill. Joe keeps a gun in a drawer in his desk. He has a short temper. That gun is the only weapon in the room. Suddenly, the security guards hear a gunshot. Two guards come up to Tim and Joe's office. The door is open and Tim has been shot dead, with a gun near him. Joe is nowhere to be found. They call the police and, then look around. Nothing is out of place. Guard A says Joe killed Tim, because everyone knows they're enemies..However, Guard B notices something and concludes Tim killed himself. And a moment later, Joe comes back from the restroom. All the time, he was listening to loud music from his mp3.
You can figure the question, right?
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #1 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 1:44am » |
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The two points below are based on the assumption that Joe is not a fool.
i) If Joe and Tim are alone in the office, Joe would never kill Tim because he knows that if he does kill Tim, he would be the prime suspect.
ii)Even if he does kill Tim, he would never drop his gun on the spot.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #2 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 10:05am » |
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Maybe Joe's drawer has been broken open?
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #3 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 10:48am » |
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Gotit's answers are valid, but not the intended answer. (Joe isn't a fool, but he has a short temper, so he does things he later regrets. Stupid things.
The drawer is not locked. however, it does have something to do with the intended answer
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #4 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 11:24am » |
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There was a suicide note in the drawer
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The contents of the drawer were scattered which showed that someone had searched for the gun. If Joe had opeed the drawer, he would not have scattered things as he would know where exactly the gun was.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #5 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 12:17pm » |
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on Oct 27th, 2007, 11:24am, gotit wrote:There was a suicide note in the drawer
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The contents of the drawer were scattered which showed that someone had searched for the gun. If Joe had opeed the drawer, he would not have scattered things as he would know where exactly the gun was. |
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no suicide note.
the gun is the only thing in the drawer.
Try imagining the scenario if Joe did kll Tim.
Remember, the guards found nothing out of place
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #6 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 2:06pm » |
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May be Tim's body was lying too close to the drawer. Had Joe shot him, his body might have been at some distance from the drawer. I am considering the distance factor because if Joe had shot Tim and Tim was present near Joe at that point of time, he would have struggled for his life and that could have put things out of order.
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Re: Homicide?
« Reply #7 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 3:08pm » |
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If Joe had killed Tim, he would have closed the door. ([E]Although if you were committing suicide you might want to close the door as well...[/E])Suicide is also corroborated when they see that Joe is still in the building; he would have ran if he had committed murder.
Although you could never assume that a person is not guilty simply because circumstances don't appear to match what "should occur" if he was guilty.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #8 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 8:25pm » |
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In most cases, the one shooting the gun will have powder residue on their hand from the gun shot. It would be easy to show that Tim's hand has this powder residue matching the gun
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Perhaps the wound at the back of Tim's head is really an exit wound, in which case, it would be almost impossible for Joe to shoot Tim through his open mouth unless Tim wanted to die in the first place
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #9 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 8:27pm » |
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on Oct 27th, 2007, 2:06pm, gotit wrote:| May be Tim's body was lying too close to the drawer. Had Joe shot him, his body might have been at some distance from the drawer. I am considering the distance factor because if Joe had shot Tim and Tim was present near Joe at that point of time, he would have struggled for his life and that could have put things out of order. |
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No. his body is far from the drawer
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #10 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 8:39pm » |
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #11 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 9:07pm » |
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on Oct 27th, 2007, 8:39pm, FiBsTeR wrote:
Unless Joe shot Tim, then Joe put the gun in Tim's hand and fired a second shot, in which case Tim's hand would test positive for the residue while Joe is in the bathroom washing his off. |
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on Oct 26th, 2007, 11:39pm, iono wrote:| Suddenly, the security guards hear a gunshot. |
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As far as I can tell, there was only one gunshot.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #12 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 9:54pm » |
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Recanted.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #13 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 7:42am » |
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| hidden: | | Note that "However, Guard B notices something and concludes Tim killed himself." was before Joe came back. Guard B noticed that Joe was not present. He later retracted his conclusion when seeing Joe. |
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Guard B noticed on Joe's desk a picture of 2 children, one of them he recognizes as himself. He understands that Joe is his brother that he hasn't seen since the war when their parents died and they had been adopted separately. He cannot possibly accuse Joe. He claims it is suicide.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #14 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 12:40pm » |
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on Oct 26th, 2007, 11:39pm, iono wrote:
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Yes. I just can't figure out the answer. 
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #15 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 3:58pm » |
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does the title have a hint to the answer? maybe they were gay lovers?
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #16 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 5:44pm » |
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Haha, I though it was a typo, but that could very well be it! I actually changed the title in one of my posts above.
I wonder what the security guard saw that would make him think that...
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #17 on: Oct 29th, 2007, 4:05am » |
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A lot of dust had accumulated in the drawer. And Tim's hand had the dust marks.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #18 on: Oct 29th, 2007, 4:57am » |
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If it was a murder, Joe would have ran to the police and told them that Tim committed suicide. Also, if Joe knew Tim committed suicide, he would also run to the police and tell them that. However, since he had loud Mp3 music on, he did not hear the gunshot, and therefore did not know that Tim committed suicide, and therefore did not run to tell the police.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #19 on: Oct 31st, 2007, 8:23pm » |
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No. The guards found the door open because Joe didn't bother closing the door on his way out. If he had took the gun out of the drawer and shot Tim, he probably wouldn't have bothered to close something else.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #20 on: Oct 31st, 2007, 8:33pm » |
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on Oct 31st, 2007, 8:23pm, iono wrote:| he probably wouldn't have bothered to close something else. |
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Just a guess, window, computer window, program on computer. Got a blank mind at the moment.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #21 on: Oct 31st, 2007, 9:31pm » |
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Computer is off. Nothing to do with electronics. Just to clarify, "nothing out of place" pens and pencils in the right place, fax machine not faxing anything, you can't see old papers because they're in their drawers, etc.
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #22 on: Nov 1st, 2007, 12:10am » |
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Did he forget to else? 
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #23 on: Nov 1st, 2007, 8:39am » |
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Perhaps the drawer was closed. Had it been Joe who picked up the gun and shot Tim, he would not have bothered to close it
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Re: Homocide?
« Reply #24 on: Nov 1st, 2007, 8:49am » |
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iono, i haven't got your response from you regarding my last post.
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