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alien2
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The detective Rain is investigating a case, and he is currently in the hospital, going over some files. He is trying to find something, anything that could incriminate doctor Kelly Robinson, who works in this hospital for 21 years now. So he finds a document dating 20 years ago, which has her signature. And right then he knew he has her, even though the signature looked just like her handwriting. She made a mistake. What was it?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #1 on: Jun 4th, 2007, 4:59pm » |
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She shouldn't have hired that one-armed man.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #2 on: Jun 4th, 2007, 9:08pm » |
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She wrote her own name instead of the one she intended to forge by accident.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #3 on: Jun 4th, 2007, 9:48pm » |
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Paper records aren't ususally kept for 20 years. There would be no room to store all patients records for that length of time. They are usually digitised after 5 or 10 years. So this file was "back dated" by the doctor, who didn't think about record retention policies at the hospital.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #4 on: Jun 5th, 2007, 3:14am » |
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At that time, she still was a man, under the name George Robinson.
OK, I know, there is another explanation.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #5 on: Jun 5th, 2007, 6:29am » |
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on Jun 4th, 2007, 9:08pm, ima1trkpny wrote:| She wrote her own name instead of the one she intended to forge by accident. |
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If she wanted to forge someone else's name, I think she would try not to write it in her own handwriting. Not bad, but not the answer I want.
on Jun 4th, 2007, 9:48pm, denis wrote:| Paper records aren't ususally kept for 20 years. |
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They are in this hospital.
on Jun 5th, 2007, 3:14am, Grimbal wrote:[hide]At that time, she still was a man, under the name George Robinson.
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She wasn't male before.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #6 on: Jun 5th, 2007, 9:04am » |
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The Hospital changed name less than 20 years ago. But the letterhead on the document uses the current Hospital's name. This leads to Rain's conclusion that the document is forged.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #7 on: Jun 5th, 2007, 9:07am » |
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Not what I had in mind.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #8 on: Jun 5th, 2007, 9:09am » |
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or the document that was "supposed 20 years old" had things on it that wasn't invented until much later?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #9 on: Jun 5th, 2007, 9:50am » |
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on Jun 5th, 2007, 3:14am, Grimbal wrote:At that time, she still was a man, under the name George Robinson.
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What I was hinting at is:
20 years ago, she wasn't married. Her name wasn't Robinson.
Or maybe she wasn't a doctor yet, but the signature says Dr.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #10 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 6:55am » |
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on Jun 5th, 2007, 9:09am, Sameer wrote:| or the document that was "supposed 20 years old" had things on it that wasn't invented until much later? |
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Yes. So what was it?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #11 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 8:36am » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 6:55am, Iceman wrote:
An e-mail address? The URL of a web site? A cell-phone number? A fax number? A Google ad? A reference to Viagra? A picture of pikachu? Pokemon? An USB key with MRI scans? A reference to AIDS?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #12 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 10:02am » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 6:55am, Iceman wrote:
Letterhead?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #13 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 12:01pm » |
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The document was printed from a color laser printer.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #14 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 12:27pm » |
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Just focus on the signature. So what was it?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #15 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 1:04pm » |
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She signed it "dr. kelly robinson" while she was only a resident 20 years ago?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #16 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 1:21pm » |
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Sameer: My understanding is that Residents are fully-trained medical doctors who are completing their specialty training. At least this is the case in Canada and US.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #17 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 1:43pm » |
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She signed on a HIPPA form to make it look like a patient had waived their rights to something?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #18 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 1:47pm » |
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No.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #19 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 1:50pm » |
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feel like giving clues Icey? or just yes/no questions?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #20 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 1:57pm » |
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It was rubber stamped but she only started to use a rubber stamp a few years ago.
http://www.signaturemachine.com/
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Re: Signature
« Reply #21 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 6:11pm » |
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Like Geena Davis used in that series where she became the first women president. But, isn't the signature produced by the machine nearly as authentic as the original one ?
Maybe it's the type of pen that she used ? Or the fact that the ink did not fade ?
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Re: Signature
« Reply #22 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 9:43pm » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:21pm, denis wrote:Sameer: My understanding is that Residents are fully-trained medical doctors who are completing their specialty training. At least this is the case in Canada and US.
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Its true anywhere i think... i think they are do called "doctors" ... just not given permission to practice I think... ah well.. back to drawing board..
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Re: Signature
« Reply #23 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 10:59pm » |
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Was the signature color-scanned, then printed?
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How about supercalifragilisticexpialidociouspuzzler [Towr, 2007]
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Re: Signature
« Reply #24 on: Jun 13th, 2007, 2:33am » |
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Peoples signatures change bit by bit over the years. The fine motor skills of a 40 year old aren't the same as when she was 20.
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