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Aryabhatta
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f(f(n)) not equal to n+3  
« on: Apr 1st, 2009, 10:37am »
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let f: N -> N (N = Natural numbers  = {1,2,3,....})
 
(i.e f is a function from the set of natural numbers to the set of natural numbers)
 
Show that there is some n such that
 
f(f(n)) is not equal to n+3.
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Re: f(f(n)) not equal to n+3  
« Reply #1 on: Apr 1st, 2009, 11:58am »
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Neat:

Consider the chains:
[1, x, 4, x+3, 7, x+6, 10, ... ]
[2, y, 5, y+3, 8, y+6, 11, ... ]
[3, z, 6, z+3, 9, z+6, 12, ... ]
Each chain contains one whole congruence class mod 3, plus a tail of another, necessarily different because f(f(n)) = n+3 is injective implies f injective.  So each chain intersects another chain.  Moreover, if two chains intersect, one must be a prefix of the other, because of injectivity.  So one chain must contain the other two, hence every natural number.  But it only has two congruence classes!

 
You may like the following cute result:
Let f : be any function at all.  Then no iterate of f (except possibly the first) can be equal to a quadratic polynomial.
This is due to Rice, Schweizer, Sklar [The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 87, No. 4 (Apr., 1980), pp. 252-263].  The proof is purely combinatorial.
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Re: f(f(n)) not equal to n+3  
« Reply #2 on: Apr 2nd, 2009, 8:47am »
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on Apr 1st, 2009, 11:58am, Eigenray wrote:

 
You may like the following cute result:
Let f : be any function at all.  Then no iterate of f (except possibly the first) can be equal to a quadratic polynomial.
This is due to Rice, Schweizer, Sklar [The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 87, No. 4 (Apr., 1980), pp. 252-263].  The proof is purely combinatorial.

 
Interesting!
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