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cool_joh
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Imagine a guy says to you "DON'T DO WHAT I SAY!". Then he says "EAT!"
What should you do? Eat or not?
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #1 on: Dec 27th, 2007, 1:39am » |
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Do I have any reason not to ignore whatever he says?
All things being equal, I'd eat when I want to and wouldn't when I don't.
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #2 on: Dec 27th, 2007, 1:52am » |
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Drink some bottled water.
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #3 on: Dec 27th, 2007, 5:07pm » |
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he was neither lying or telling the truth, so do wat you want.
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #4 on: Dec 27th, 2007, 5:08pm » |
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and noise is physical vibrations, so it must be reworded to "dont do what the impulses to your brain tell you the originated from me"
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #5 on: Jan 22nd, 2008, 9:41pm » |
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A paradox is not a riddle.
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #6 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 12:46am » |
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on Jan 22nd, 2008, 9:41pm, temporary wrote:| A paradox is not a riddle. |
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Sounds familiar...
However, a paradox is a riddle; in the sense that there is (implicitly) the question of resolving it.
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #7 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 3:37am » |
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At the first instruction cycle i will process the command "Don't do what I say!" and realize that the speaker says "don't obey my commands given from the next instruction cycle" (because my human language processing program says me to do so  and i have already processed this instruction!) if i am bound to obey the command of this particular speaker then I will not Eat.
Now the question is: Where's the paradox? 
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #8 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 3:45am » |
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if (status==eating)
{
continue;
}
else if(status==hungry && food==ok)
{
eat();
}
else
{
dont_eat();
}
// the person's screaming is a bit annoying!
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #9 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 4:15am » |
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@ HiddenHeart:
When a person says "I am lying" or "This statement is false", then it is a paradox. For more of this kind of paradox, see:
http://brainden.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=204
That is there is no use of saying "i have already processed this instruction". "what I say" is present simple and so it means to all what I said, what I am saying and what I will say.
Therefore, "if i am bound to obey the command of this particular speaker", then when he says not to do what he says, then he is saying me to do negative of "don't do". This is the paradox.
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #10 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 4:22am » |
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Well, going down that road; you can do what he said, rather than what he says. So when he says "eat", wait till he has said it, and then you can do it.
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #11 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 4:41am » |
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on Jan 23rd, 2008, 4:15am, Optimus Prime wrote:
@ HiddenHeart:
When a person says "I am lying" or "This statement is false", then it is a paradox. For more of this kind of paradox, see:
http://brainden.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=204
That is there is no use of saying "i have already processed this instruction". "what I say" is present simple and so it means to all what I said, what I am saying and what I will say.
Therefore, "if i am bound to obey the command of this particular speaker", then when he says not to do what he says, then he is saying me to do negative of "don't do". This is the paradox. |
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Ok,
"This statement is false" is a single statement which i process in one instruction cycle and get a paradox.
but "Don't do what I say, eat!" here we have two instructions where the first instruction indicates(or modifies the method) how to process father instructions from this instructor. I take it this way because i cannot undo what i have done already according to this instructor's command!
and i don't find any paradox here!!
so when i process the first instruction
1. i check whether this person is my administrator.
2. i don't do what he tells me to do from the next instruction cycle (note that i don't do the opposite of his commands)
3. This person has his other privileges. just i don't obey him anymore. (that i eat if i am hungry, his commands don't affect me anymore)
so, even a machine with this logic will not hang itself and someone will use him instead of an Optimus Prime  (i mean the robot, no hard feelings)
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Re: Don't do what I say, eat!
« Reply #12 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 5:51pm » |
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It's like saying to flip a coin to determine what the coin will land on, heads:it lands on tails, tails:it lands on heads. I will one day solve paradoxes, but not until after the end of the world.
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