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The System Wars
« on: Aug 19th, 2007, 8:50pm » |
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I haven't looked to see if it has already been posted but i want to get everyone's opinion:
Which is the better operating system?
EDIT: Mac OSX Lepoard, Vista, XP or Linux?
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #1 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 12:41am » |
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Mac and PC aren't types of operating systems, they are types of computers.
MacOS, WinXP, Vista etc are OS's
I only have experience with WinXP and Linux (mostly Fedora). The major advantage to linux is that it's free, and it is very well suited for programming (dozens of compilers and interpreters come practically standard). The advantage to WinXP is that it is assumed you have it (better support for new hardware, games etc); but this is also a disadvantage (viruses, malware).
If memory serves me right, the latest MacOS can run linux-binaries as well. But as I said, I don't have personal experience with it.
If you don't have experience with Linux, I've heard Ubuntu is a good one to try. And its free, so there's little risk in trying it out (I suppose if you're careless you could wipe out whatever is on your harddrive, but you can do that with a windows installation as well if you venture too far from normal installation procedures. Just be careful how you partition and format the partitions.)
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #2 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 8:48pm » |
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As far as computer goes, I'd say I prefer Mac over PC, though it's a bit more pricey. The reason is simple, Mac users are way cooler than PC users. 
As far as operating system goes, both Windows and Linux have their own pros and cons. Previously, installing a Linux system could be difficult, lately it had become relatively easy. Office suits are also available for the Linux platform, thus its a good alternative. I've only tried Red Hat version, but it's comfortable to use. The downside is if you're using your computer for games, then Windows is the OS for you. Though I haven't yet tried Vista, maybe anyone can comment on its performance ?
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #3 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 8:57pm » |
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I've had experience with all of those so this is my POV. Windows are easier to use and so are better for unskilled and unknowledgable users, Macs are good for everything and Linux is free (for those stingy people out there). That being said, i prefer Windows due to its simplicity.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #4 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 10:13pm » |
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Since i grew up with macintosh computers and operating systems, i never actually knew of any other brands untill year 7, when windows was everywhere. I prefer the mac computers anyway, mostly because i like the design of the computers, especially the new imacs that are the computer and the moniter in one, i.e, less cables to work out.
Operating systems depends on what your using it for. If you're a games freak, you'd go with windows, being the main operating system that games work on these days. If you work professionally in an office complex or wherever, windows would probably be most people use, if not, office. Macintosh people that i've met usually are just looking to get creative and have some fun with iLife. I only know one person who uses linux at the moment, so i don't have many thoughts about that, but it seems to be a good operating system for just about anything, however i will stick with mac for now.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #5 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 10:19pm » |
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Sorry Mac users/fans... couldn't resist!!!
Courtesy: ctrlaltdel-online.com
Btw I use Windows for my daily mundane tasks and Linux for my work (programming, scripts, testing, etc. etc...) I have never had the need for using macs and I don't know if there will ever be one... although I must confess I have had temptations in buying one from now and then.. and of course visiting a apple store is always fun... by the way the mac spoof videos on youtube are hilarious too ... 
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #6 on: Aug 20th, 2007, 11:04pm » |
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Come on, that's not fair !! I'm a PC user all of my natural computer using life, and I still salivate at the idea of the new iMac.
Actually, how many of us here actually uses Mac ? And I mean serious users, the ones who have no idea how to work a PC ?
And how about serious Linux users ? Any of those here, who use Linux exclusively, without having to resort to windows for anything ?
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #7 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 1:02am » |
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You can fall in love with a Mac. Not with a PC.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #8 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 2:41am » |
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on Aug 21st, 2007, 1:02am, Grimbal wrote:| You can fall in love with a Mac. |
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Hmm, yes, yes you can indeed..
(Eve from http://www.applegeeks.com/ , a Mac android girl. Certainly beats that damn X-Box robot from ctrl-alt-delete.)
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #9 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 2:55am » |
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I use both linux and windows. I use windows for games and linux for everything else (since everything else includes mundane surfing and programming). My suggestion, go for a PC and go multiboot!!
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P.S -> For linux, go with ubuntu, has nice forums and support. I use fedora because i like to screw things up a lot and fedora has a good tolerance level with me. If i seriously wanted to screw things up, i would have been using gentoo.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #10 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 3:44am » |
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I'm a PC person, but can happily use either.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #11 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 4:59am » |
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I tried it with multi-boot Windows and Linux. But I had too many things under Windows, and it is a pain to switch, so in the end, I never booted under Linux.
I now have 2 computers, one Windows 2000, one Linux Debian. I do letters and mail on Windows, programming on Linux.
But for games, I boot another Windows partition. Games sometimes install funny stuff and it is good to reformat and reinstall the OS when it becomes instable.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #12 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 5:19am » |
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on Aug 21st, 2007, 4:59am, Grimbal wrote:I now have 2 computers, one Windows 2000, one Linux Debian. I do letters and mail on Windows, programming on Linux.
But for games, I boot another Windows partition. Games sometimes install funny stuff and it is good to reformat and reinstall the OS when it becomes instable. |
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #13 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 11:44am » |
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on Aug 21st, 2007, 4:59am, Grimbal wrote:I tried it with multi-boot Windows and Linux. But I had too many things under Windows, and it is a pain to switch, so in the end, I never booted under Linux.
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Use virtualization software... VMWare's new Fusion should make it simpler...
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #14 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 3:53pm » |
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What's with the name 'distro'?
And why so many versions?
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #15 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 5:12pm » |
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on Aug 20th, 2007, 10:19pm, Sameer wrote:| although I must confess I have had temptations in buying one from now and then.. and of course visiting a apple store is always fun... by the way the mac spoof videos on youtube are hilarious too ... |
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Apple stores are fun  When i was a kid my dad made a video using graphic converter of an imac smashing all the windows logos with a baseball bat, he did it for some demo for his comittee, but he never uploaded it, he just talked about putting music onto it and showing everyone who came into our house the video.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #16 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 4:07pm » |
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on Aug 21st, 2007, 3:53pm, ThudanBlunder wrote:What's with the name 'distro'?
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OK, I'll look it up myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:17pm » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2007, 4:07pm, ThudanBlunder wrote:
Oh I thought it was a rhetorical question!! 
Think of it this way. Let's say MS was only managing the windows kernel, a stripped down basic IO managing stuff. Then you create a company or a startup, add ur stuff and release T&B Windows 1.0. This will become one of the distributions of the OS. Let's say Jinbotak adds the hot malaysian softwares onto the core and releases J2.0 as another distribution... these things tend to happen on open source projects. I think Linux keeps a tight control on the kernel of Linux however recently there has been some flak on the scheduler he has gone for the latest one.. such things tend to split projects and create even more products.. *sigh*...
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #18 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 1:59am » |
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Which hot Malaysian software is that Sameer ? 
What I know is, the Linux kernel itself is distributed free, as long as you're capable programmer, and enjoy the challenge, you could always dowload the kernel and add in stuffs, like the extra hot and spicy software Sameer was talking about. However, you are not permitted to market that as a new product, or something like that.
I'd have to read up on GPL again, the details are hazy. 
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #19 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 3:11am » |
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You can market it as a new program, but it has to remain free, I think. But you can still make money off it by providing services like tech support.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
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GPL in a nutshell: You can do anything you want with the software: run it, recompile it, modify it, give it away, even sell it -- whatever you want; however, if you distribute it, a modified version of it, or something else derived from it, 1) You can't take credit for parts you didn't write, 2) your modifications or derivations must themselves be licensed under the GPL, and 3) You must make the source code to those modifications or derivations available so that others can exercise the same freedoms with your software that you did.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #21 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:35am » |
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Great summarising quote.I've never heard it before. I'll use that to sound smart.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #22 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 6:48am » |
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on Aug 24th, 2007, 4:35am, mikedagr8 wrote:| Great summarising quote.I've never heard it before. I'll use that to sound smart. |
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Start reading up slashdot.org, you will learn several such lines (actually you will practically memorise it after seeing it repeatedly over and over again).
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #23 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 6:54am » |
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There's probably a site quotesthataregood.somthing or other, I'm assuming so becusae there is an equivalent for lines which my friend gave to me. I'll memorise what I can there.
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Re: Mac or PC? (or linux)
« Reply #24 on: Aug 25th, 2007, 4:48am » |
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on Aug 24th, 2007, 3:44am, SMQ wrote:GPL in a nutshell: You can do anything you want with the software: run it, recompile it, modify it, give it away, even sell it -- whatever you want; however, if you distribute it, a modified version of it, or something else derived from it, 1) You can't take credit for parts you didn't write, 2) your modifications or derivations must themselves be licensed under the GPL, and 3) You must make the source code to those modifications or derivations available so that others can exercise the same freedoms with your software that you did.
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It seems a bit inconsistent; on the one hand 'You can do anything you want with the software: run it, recompile it, modify it, give it away, even sell it' and on the other hand, "not necessarily free as in 'free beer.' "?
It seems that you should always be able to get any piece of GPL software without paying for it; although possibly you might need to compile it yourself.
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