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truemuffinman
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A gypsie and a theif.
« on: Aug 21st, 2006, 8:48pm » |
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This is my first post, so be nice. xD
J/K.
A theif stole from a gypsie's camp.
The gypsie had 31 items in his camp.
The theif was 5 ' 3'' tall.
After the gypsie raided her camp, the gypsie had 41 items.
The theif did not leave any items.
How is this possible?
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #1 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 8:51am » |
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What's a theif?
| hidden: | | So the gypsy lost his belongings but she kept hers. |
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truemuffinman
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #2 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 8:54am » |
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on Aug 22nd, 2006, 8:51am, ezlonny wrote:What's a theif?
| hidden: | | So the gypsy lost his belongings but she kept hers. |
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Theif? Burglar? Stealer?
And no.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #3 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 9:11am » |
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Well, to start with, it is nice to point out that the theif is a 'she' and the gypsie is a 'he'. Two stealings have happened. The theif stole from the gypsie and took an arbitrary x items from him. Then the gypsie took a revenge and raided the theif's camp. He must have taken the x items back plus all (10) items of the theif's so that the gypsie ended up having 31+10=41 items with him, and the theif did not leave any item with herself. 
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truemuffinman
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #4 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 9:16am » |
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on Aug 22nd, 2006, 9:11am, oh_boy wrote:| Well, to start with, it is nice to point out that the theif is a 'she' and the gypsie is a 'he'. Two stealings have happened. The theif stole from the gypsie and took an arbitrary x items from him. Then the gypsie took a revenge and raided the theif's camp. He must have taken the x items back plus all (10) items of the theif's so that the gypsie ended up having 31+10=41 items with him, and the theif did not leave any item with herself. |
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Nope, sorry.
Read the gender association closely.
Though that is an extremely good idea.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #5 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 4:51pm » |
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I fail to see what is wrong with oh_boy's solution:
At the start,
Gypsy = Male, has 31 items in camp; Thief = Female, has at least 10 items in camp.
Quote:A theif stole from a gypsie's camp.
The gypsie had 31 items in his camp. |
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Now, Gypsy has 0 items; thief has 41+ items.
Next, the Gypsy raids the the thief's camp:
Quote:The theif was 5 ' 3'' tall.
After the gypsie raided her camp, the gypsie had 41 items. |
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Since the gypsy has no need to raid his own camp, the "her" refers back to the subject of the previous sentence: the thief. The gypsy takes 41 items that were in the possession of the thief.
This is entirely within keeping of all the associations you've listed. Why do you say it is wrong?
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truemuffinman
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #6 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 8:04pm » |
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on Aug 22nd, 2006, 4:51pm, Icarus wrote:I fail to see what is wrong with oh_boy's solution:
At the start,
Gypsy = Male, has 31 items in camp; Thief = Female, has at least 10 items in camp.
Now, Gypsy has 0 items; thief has 41+ items.
Next, the Gypsy raids the the thief's camp:
Since the gypsy has no need to raid his own camp, the "her" refers back to the subject of the previous sentence: the thief. The gypsy takes 41 items that were in the possession of the thief.
This is entirely within keeping of all the associations you've listed. Why do you say it is wrong? |
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I never sad anything was wrong with it. It was actually pretty good. But the thief isn't female, and that's not what the proper solution is.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #7 on: Aug 22nd, 2006, 9:21pm » |
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on Aug 22nd, 2006, 8:04pm, truemuffinman wrote:
I never sad anything was wrong with it. It was actually pretty good. But the thief isn't female, and that's not what the proper solution is. |
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Actually the solution is proper just not the one "you" are looking for. You need to add that thief is not a female in your problem to render the above solution not correct.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #8 on: Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:41pm » |
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #9 on: Aug 23rd, 2006, 5:37pm » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:41pm, mfirmata wrote:| hidden: | | The male gypsy stole 10 items from the female gypsy. |
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Explain please.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #10 on: Aug 23rd, 2006, 6:34pm » |
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If the thief is not female, then I can see only three possibilities:
(1) The gypsy is female, and is for some wierd reason raiding her own camp. (How is it raiding, if it is yours in the first place?)
(2) There is at least a third person here. Either a previously unmentioned "her", or else, as mfirmata suggests, a second gypsy, despite the fact that the gypsy is refered to as "the" gypsy, not "a" gypsy.
(3) The thief is not male either, but is asexual or a hermaphrodite. Thus the thief is being refered to as "her" even though it is not truly female.
Somehow, none of these solutions satisfy. The first goes against the meaning of "raid", the second against the meaning of "the", and the third against the meaning of "her". Yet without one of the three, there is no "her" for the gypsy to raid.
I think that oh_boy's solution has got to be better!
I think I prefer oh_boy's solution.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #11 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 3:21am » |
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Maybe there was an elderly German gentleman by the name of Camp nearby.
The gypsie raided her Camp.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #12 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 4:07am » |
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on Aug 24th, 2006, 3:21am, BNC wrote:Maybe there was an elderly German gentleman by the name of Camp nearby.
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Surely you mean Herr Camp...
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #13 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 4:25am » |
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It depends... if they aren't in the same camp OR the same person. But it wouldn't make sense. 
I'll rephrase the paragraph to help myself.
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THIEF=MALE
GYPSY=FEMALE
He stole from her camp.
She had 31 items in his camp. (should've added the words "now" at the end of the sentence =D )
He was 5 ' 3'' tall.
After she raided her(now this is where I get CONFUSED...) camp, she had 41 items.
HE did not leave any items.
How is this possible?
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It is confusing... I just don't get it. oh_boy's answer is same as my answer, so I go with him =).
BUT, maybe it would've helped if there were IN THE SAME CAMP or MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #14 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 4:27am » |
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #15 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 4:32am » |
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on Aug 24th, 2006, 4:27am, mfirmata wrote:| hidden: | | The theif is a gypsy too? |
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I don't know. The riddle is quite confusing. 
=D I hope we solve it! 
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truemuffinman
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #16 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 4:49pm » |
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on Aug 24th, 2006, 4:27am, mfirmata wrote:| hidden: | | The theif is a gypsy too? |
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Exactly!
And then someone stole from the thief.
You won!
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #17 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 7:04pm » |
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That still leaves you speaking of "The gypsy" when there are two gypsies, which is effectively a lie.
On the other hand, oh_boy's solution works without any such misleading interpretation.
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Re: A gypsie and a theif.
« Reply #18 on: Aug 25th, 2006, 7:56pm » |
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Okay, so i missed that one, i'll get the next one, my internet is back up so i can work all 99 hours of the morning if i have to.
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